Charges & Insulators: Answers to Questions

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This discussion revolves around the concepts of electric charge, specifically focusing on the glass rod-cloth experiment and the behavior of insulators in electrical circuits. Participants explore how charged objects regain neutrality and the movement of electrons in insulators when subjected to a potential difference.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a positively charged item regains electrons and how a negatively charged item releases excess electrons, suggesting that touching the items allows for electron transfer.
  • Another participant explains that bringing charged items into contact or near each other can lead to electron movement until both reach the same potential, but notes that potential is influenced by charge distribution.
  • There is a discussion about insulators, where one participant states that applying a potential difference results in minimal electron movement due to strong bonds with nuclei, making them non-conductors.
  • One participant proposes that in a circuit with an insulator, only a small number of electrons will move through the insulator, affecting the current at the contacts with the wires.
  • Another participant raises a question about how charged items can neutralize without direct contact, suggesting that air could facilitate this process, though it is noted that air is a poor conductor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the behavior of charged objects and insulators, with no clear consensus reached on the mechanisms of charge neutralization or the extent of electron movement in insulators.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of potential and potential difference, indicating that a deeper mathematical understanding may be necessary to fully grasp these concepts. Additionally, the role of air as an insulator and its effect on charge transfer remains unresolved.

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First question i have is about the common glass rod-cloth experiment where the one gets plus charged and the other minus charged.The plus charged item how does it get back the electrons that it missed?If we touch it again with the other one or even through the air?And the minus charged how does it release its additional electrons?

Secondary i want to ask something about insulators.I know that if we apply a potential difference through an insulator its electrons have strong bonds with each nucleus so we have few free electrons and so it is a non conductor.If we put an insulator though in the middle of a circuit,for example a plastic item that has a metal wire connected to its one end and another wire to its other end and both wires are connected to a battery,then few of insulators electrons will move but will wire's electrons run through the insulator?If yes or not please explain the reason.

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aeacus said:
First question i have is about the common glass rod-cloth experiment where the one gets plus charged and the other minus charged.The plus charged item how does it get back the electrons that it missed?If we touch it again with the other one or even through the air?And the minus charged how does it release its additional electrons?
Yes if we touch the items for a brief period of time (without rubbing them against each other) the additional electrons will get attracted by the positive ions and both items will return to neutral charge.
In general if we bring the charged item in contact with any other item charged or not (which is not a perfect insulator) there will be moving of electrons between the two items (from the item with the lower potential to the item with the higher potential), until both items are in same potential (or until the free electrons in the item with the lower potential have been exhausted, that is the case where the item is bad conductor and there is really big potential difference between the two items).
Ofcourse you might ask me here what is potential and potential difference. This would be hard to answer without getting into mathematic details. Potential depends not only on the amount of charge one item has but also how this charge is distributed inside or at the surface of the item. We can say that the item which is more negatively charged is in lower potential however this is not always the case.
Secondary i want to ask something about insulators.I know that if we apply a potential difference through an insulator its electrons have strong bonds with each nucleus so we have few free electrons and so it is a non conductor.If we put an insulator though in the middle of a circuit,for example a plastic item that has a metal wire connected to its one end and another wire to its other end and both wires are connected to a battery,then few of insulators electrons will move but will wire's electrons run through the insulator?If yes or not please explain the reason.

Thanks in advance
Well what you actually do is forming a circuit in series with the battery the insulator and the wires. In a circuit in series , the current is everywhere the same. Because of that and because the current in insulator will be small, the current at the contacts between the wires and the insulator will also be equal small, so very few electrons from the wire will move through the insulator and from the insulator through the other wire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_circuit
 
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Okay thanks.In the first question though,if we don't just touch the differently charged items to restore the balance how will they become neutral again?Through the air?
 
aeacus said:
Okay thanks.In the first question though,if we don't just touch the differently charged items to restore the balance how will they become neutral again?Through the air?

If the charge in the item is small (and it is small in the rod-cloth experiment), it can become neutral by getting opposite charges through the air. Air is a very good insulator though so (similar to your 2nd question) there would be very few electrons or even positive ions flowing through air.
 

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