Why can an electron go through PVC insulator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of voltage readings observed when handling PVC insulated alligator clips connected to a DC power supply. Participants explore the implications of these readings, the safety of the voltage levels, and the clarity of the experimental setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a setup involving a 12V (20V) DC power supply, multimeter, and PVC insulated alligator clips, noting voltage readings when holding the clips.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the safety of the voltage levels, questioning the implications of the readings.
  • There is confusion regarding the terminology used by the original poster, particularly the term "keep," which leads to requests for clarification and diagrams.
  • A participant suggests that the setup may resemble a capacitor, with the body acting as a conductor and the PVC insulation as a dielectric, relating this to the observed voltage readings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the original poster's description or the implications of the voltage readings. Confusion remains regarding the experimental setup and terminology.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the original post, particularly regarding the connections made and the definitions used. The discussion also highlights the need for visual aids to better understand the experimental setup.

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I connected a PVC insulated alligator clip test lead to a 12V (give 20V) DC power supply positive terminal and a multimeter. After that I connected an other one to the multimeter ground, and a third one to the power supply negative terminal. I turned the multimeter to DC V measure mode.
When I keep the two free alligator clips in my left and right hand, the multimeter show voltage. At the not insulated part of the clips I can see approx. 18.5-.8V but I understand this because electrons can go through my body.
But if I keep the insulated part of those clips, I also can see voltage which depend on how strong I press the clips. It can go to 3-4V which is significant leakage.
But if I keep and press the wires right below the clips, no leakage. Wires also PVC insulated and my multimeter can measure 100uV precision. I cannot keep strong enough to see any extra voltage. (On high precision mode multimeter always show 1-2mV.)
 
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If the voltage was higher, that would be dangerous.

I'm having trouble visualizing what you are saying. Can you draw a diagram? Photo it and post the photo using the UPLOAD button.
 
As I wrote, voltage was 20V DC. Not dangerous.
I cannot make photo but I wrote what I did step-by-step. There was just a 20V DC supply, a multimeter and me in the circuit. Oh, and 3 test wire with alligator clips on both end. That's all.
 
I think what anorlunda is getting at is that you seem to be using a non-standard definition for the word "keep" in your original post. Non-standard to the extent that I really don't know what you meant, exactly.
 
Hi Thomas,
Welcome to PF :smile:
thomasj said:
I cannot make photo

why not ? ... you have a mobile phone or other camera ?

thomasj said:
but I wrote what I did step-by-step

Which, unfortunately is not entirely clearWe really need to see what you are doing so that there is no confusion :smile:

We know there is a PSU, a meter some wires and clips and your hands/fingers
we are not exactly sure of the connection combinations you describeDave
 
thomasj said:
I connected a PVC insulated alligator clip test lead to a 12V (give 20V) DC power supply positive terminal
thomasj said:
As I wrote, voltage was 20V DC. Not dangerous.

What is a "12V (give 20V)" power supply?

As others have said, a drawing of what you are describing would clear up a lot of ambiguity, but if my mental picture is correct, then you have the meter (+) lead connected to power supply (+) terminal, are holding the meter (-) lead in one hand, and in the other hand a lead connected to power supply (-) terminal. In other words, a series pair consisting of a voltmeter, and your body is connected across the DC supply.

Setting aside for a moment that connecting a voltmeter as though it were an ammeter is odd, consider what a capacitor is - two conductors with a dielectric between them - and how this relates to your observations.
 

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