Checking Solutions to Electronic Questions Before Exam

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The discussion revolves around checking solutions to electronic questions in preparation for an exam. Topics include the use of diodes and op-amps, the design of circuits, and the characteristics of different types of amplifiers. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations related to electronics.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that diodes cannot be used as switches due to their lack of amplification, while others suggest that diodes can function as switches in certain high-speed applications despite the DC level shift.
  • There is a discussion about designing circuits using op-amps to amplify DC signals, with some participants affirming that op-amps can indeed be used for this purpose.
  • Participants propose using astable multivibrators to generate rectangular wave shapes with electronic switches, although there is some confusion regarding the mechanics of this process.
  • There is a lack of consensus on the differences between various amplifier types, with some participants expressing uncertainty and others providing explanations about the characteristics of op-amps and power amplifiers.
  • Some participants clarify that op-amps can amplify DC signals, but there is confusion about how this amplification manifests in terms of output shape.
  • There is a debate about the semantics of amplification, with some participants suggesting that amplification is a misnomer and discussing the flow of currents in transistors and ICs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express differing views on the use of diodes as switches, the design of circuits with op-amps, and the nature of amplification. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the output characteristics of op-amps when amplifying DC signals, and there are unresolved questions about the differences between amplifier types and their applications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students preparing for electronics exams, individuals seeking clarification on the functionality of diodes and op-amps, and those interested in the nuances of electronic circuit design.

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Misplaced homework moved from technical forum, hence the Homework Template is missing.
at firs i apologize if this is not the place for this but really i have exam after few hours and i need chech my solutions .
i have some essay questions and i want to check my ideas

1) can we use the diode as switch instead of transistor ??
2)design an op amp to amplify the dc signal
3)how to use two electronic switches to get ((rectangular)) wave shape
4) define 3 differences between
(responce curve of op amp and voltage amp)
(power amp and volt amp and op amp)

my ideas for solution
1) no because diode make no amplification
2) i will use the op amp usually as it direct connected in its stages
3) i suggest using astable multivibrartor
4) no attempt solution
 
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1) Yes and no, generally no
2) Hmmm.. Scale yea, so technically I have to say yes. Example 0-1V signal scaled to 0-10V etc.
3) What? switch on - switch off =Rectangular wave.

4) Not enough info to even guess
 
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physicist 12345 said:
at firs i apologize if this is not the place for this but really i have exam after few hours and i need chech my solutions .
i have some essay questions and i want to check my ideas

1) can we use the diode as switch instead of transistor ??
2)design an op amp to amplify the dc signal
3)how to use two electronic switches to get ((rectangular)) wave shape
4) define 3 differences between
(responce curve of op amp and voltage amp)
(power amp and volt amp and op amp)

my ideas for solution
1) no because diode make no amplification
2) i will use the op amp usually as it direct connected in its stages
3) i suggest using astable multivibrartor
4) no attempt solution

1. You don't need amplification to make a switch. The switches in a digital logic circuit don't amplify. The big problem with using a diode as a switch is you have to deal with the DC level shift (the diode drop, about 0.65V or so in silicon). MOS switches have no DC drop and are preferred. Diode switches are still used in very high speed sampling circuits since they can be faster than other techniques.

2. You mean design a circuit *using* op amps to amplify a DC signal? That was their initial application so yeah, they can be used for that.

3. Windadct is right.

4. An op amp is just a differential voltage amplifier with extremely high gain, high input resistance, and low output resistance so what are you asking? Some people use op amps to make power amps but the issue is *power* gain, not voltage gain. The simplest and easiest to under stand is an Emitter Follower (look it up). By lowering the impedance while keeping the voltage (roughly) the same, power gain is realized.
 
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Windadct said:
1) Yes and no, generally no
2) Hmmm.. Scale yea, so technically I have to say yes. Example 0-1V signal scaled to 0-10V etc.
3) What? switch on - switch off =Rectangular wave.

4) Not enough info to even guess

thank you
question 4 gust generally no specific cases
 
analogdesign said:
1. You don't need amplification to make a switch. The switches in a digital logic circuit don't amplify. The big problem with using a diode as a switch is you have to deal with the DC level shift (the diode drop, about 0.65V or so in silicon). MOS switches have no DC drop and are preferred. Diode switches are still used in very high speed sampling circuits since they can be faster than other techniques.

2. You mean design a circuit *using* op amps to amplify a DC signal? That was their initial application so yeah, they can be used for that.

3. Windadct is right.

4. An op amp is just a differential voltage amplifier with extremely high gain, high input resistance, and low output resistance so what are you asking? Some people use op amps to make power amps but the issue is *power* gain, not voltage gain. The simplest and easiest to under stand is an Emitter Follower (look it up). By lowering the impedance while keeping the voltage (roughly) the same, power gain is realized.
thank you very much but could you tell me how op amp could amplify dc ?
 
physicist 12345 said:
could you tell me how would the shape of output will be ?

you said it is DC ... so what shape do you think it will have ?

physicist 12345 said:
also there is no difference between this circuit and that which raise the level at ac ?

not sure what you mean ?

it would seem you haven't watched the video yet ... do so and then come back with specific unanswered Q's
you really shouldn't have any ... Dave explains op-amps very well :smile:Dave
 
davenn said:
you said it is DC ... so what shape do you think it will have ?
not sure what you mean ?

it would seem you haven't watched the video yet ... do so and then come back with specific unanswered Q's
you really shouldn't have any ... Dave explains op-amps very well :smile:Dave
iam sorry
 
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physicist 12345 said:
iam sorry

it's OK :smile:

so if DC is going in, what do you think is on the output of an Op-amp and what "shape" is that ?
 
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davenn said:
it's OK :smile:

so if DC is going in, what do you think is on the output of an Op-amp and what "shape" is that ?

its also dc .. i was asking how the level rise (amplified sinusoidal take not change their reference )
now watching the video :)
 
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physicist 12345 said:
its also dc ..

yes ... so a flat line :smile:

physicist 12345 said:
i was asking how the level rise (amplified sinusoidal take not change their reference )

an op-amp can be used in inverting or non inverting mode that will affect the positive and negative going half cycles compared to the input
... they will be the same ... non-inverting ... opposite if inverting
 
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davenn said:
yes ... so a flat line :smile:
an op-amp can be used in inverting or non inverting mode that will affect the positive and negative going half cycles compared to the input
... they will be the same ... non-inverting ... opposite if inverting

then now i understood that ordinary op amp could amplify dc .. put as it go out flat (a t the same reference) how it then be said that they amplified
please also if you have a comment on question 4 i will be happy
 
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physicist 12345 said:
please also if you have a comment on question 4 i will be happy

firstly, I can't comment on that ... go with analogdesign's comments until get something better :smile:


physicist 12345 said:
then now i understood that ordinary op amp could amplify dc .. put as it go out flat (a t the same reference) how it then be said that they amplified

The first thing you need to learn/understand and many others also have this misconception ... that transistors / IC's amplify ... they don't

What they actually do is to use the flow of small currents to control the flow of larger currents ... this gives the appearance of amplifying a current / voltage
They are all just called amplifiers for sake of easy explanation ... do some reading up of transistor functions / theory

OK from minute 13:00 in the video, Dave starts to describe how it works as a practical amplifier and how the gain is calculated
The process is the same for DC or ACDave
 
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davenn said:
firstly, I can't comment on that ... go with analogdesign's comments until get something better :smile:

The first thing you need to learn/understand and many others also have this misconception ... that transistors / IC's amplify ... they don't

What they actually do is to use the flow of small currents to control the flow of larger currents ... this gives the appearance of amplifying a current / voltage
They are all just called amplifiers for sake of easy explanation ... do some reading up of transistor functions / theory

Dave

Far be it from me to start an argument about semantics, but based on your definition amplification at all is impossible as it would contradict the second law of thermodynamics.

While of course an amplifier puts out less energy than it gets in, and you're most certainly correct about the small current controlling the flow of larger currents (for bipolar transistors, at least), I think most engineers would agree that the *signal* is certain amplified in a transistor. Do you disagree?
 

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