What is the Standard Enthalpy Change for the Reaction 4NH3 + 3O2 --> 2N2 + 6H2O?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the standard enthalpy change for the reaction 4NH3 + 3O2 --> 2N2 + 6H2O. The standard heats of formation for NH3 and H2O are provided, but there is confusion regarding the correct value for H2O, as it could refer to either liquid or gaseous states. Participants clarify that the reaction's lack of state specification allows for either interpretation, impacting the enthalpy calculation. There is also debate about whether to divide the enthalpy change by four, with consensus leaning towards not doing so since the reaction is presented as a whole. The discussion highlights the importance of clear specifications in thermodynamic problems.
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Homework Statement


Determine the standard enthalpy change for the reaction below.

4NH3 + 3O2 --> 2N2 + 6H2O

Given:
Standard heat of formation of NH3: -45.9 kJ/mol

Standard heat of formation of H2O: -285.83 kJ/mol


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I had this question on a quiz and got points taken off, but I can't figure out why. Here's my solution:

{ (6 x -285.83 kJ/mol) + (2 x 0) } - { (3 x 0) + (4 x -45.9 kJ/mol)} = -1531 kJ/mol
 
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Because the standard heat of formation of gaseous water is -241.826 kJ/mol.
I'm not sure where you got the -285.83 from, but I believe it's the liquid value.
 
Reaction (as entered) doesn't state whether it should be gaseous or liquid water. My thermo is somewhat rusty, but isn't standard state of water liquid?
 
Borek said:
Reaction (as entered) doesn't state whether it should be gaseous or liquid water. My thermo is somewhat rusty, but isn't standard state of water liquid?

It is. But it wouldn't be wrong then! :)

I assumed the gas-phase states since, well, it's a gas-phase reaction.
If the problem was stated without specifying H2O (l) or H2O (g) then either would be correct, depending on whether you mean the 'standard enthalpy' in the strict sense, or the 'reaction enthalpy at standard pressure and temperature'.
 
There is always a slight possibility that there was a mistake in the test :smile:
 
Just to clarify, the reaction was wriiten without states in the problem, and there were no states specified in the heat of formation given either.

Was I supposed to divide the value I got by four?
 
That would be enthalpy change for a mole of ammonia, not for the reaction as written. I am not sure if there exeist some precise convention, I have seen it discussed (without any decisive conclusions) by chemistry teachers.
 
Yeah, I always thought you didn't divide by anything when it was for an actual reaction. It wouldn't make sense here because it doesn't specify per mole of ammonia vs. per mole of oxygen.

Anyways, thanks for your help.
 
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