Circles and Euler spiral (repost from general math)

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The discussion revolves around finding the tangent points of an Euler spiral connecting two circles with specified radii and a defined distance between their centers. The problem includes known data such as the radii and the distance, but seeks to determine unknowns including the length of the spiral and the tangent points on each circle. Participants note that while progress has been made in formulating the problem, the solution remains complex and may require iterative methods or analytical approaches. The original poster expresses gratitude for assistance and emphasizes the challenge of the problem. The conversation highlights the intricacies of applying mathematical equations to geometric configurations.
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Hi,
i have this problem..., giving two circle (example radius 1 = 500 units, radius 2 = 200 units, distance between centers = 275.73 units) find Euler Spiral (aka Cornu spiral, aka Clothoid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_spiral) tangent giving circle (unknown tangent points).
For this problem are two mirrored Euler spiral as solution with length = 450 units.
Problem so simply to explain but not so simply to find solution...
Many thanks for help...
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Hello again, Mario, and :welcome: again, too

Well, we are making progress. There is a problem statement and the link gives a bunch of equations. So we can claim 1 and 2 below are filled in.
All we have to do now is make a start with 3 !

Homework Statement

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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Oh, and: don't erase the template (or was your thread moved here by a moderator?)

For a start: how did you find the 275.73 ?
 

Homework Statement


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known data:
center of circle 1 (xO1,yO1) and radius of circle = R1
center of circle 2 (xO2,yO2) and radius of circle = R2

unknown data:
lenght of spiral (magenta and blue) L=?
tangent point of spiral on circle 1 (xA, yA) = ?
tangent point of spiral on circle 2 (xB, yB) = ?

Homework Equations



Particular declination of problem are resolved with below equation, but in this resolution know data are:
R1, R2, L, xA=zero, yA=zero, xO1=zero, yO1=R1, line(O1-A) is orthogonal to x axes
calculated data are:
xO2, yO2, xB, yB
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(complete document at this link http://www.mygeodesy.id.au/documents/Horizontal Curves.pdf prof. R.E.Deakin)

The Attempt at a Solution



A iterative solution is using the above equations and change L to find desidered distance of two circle...
but Analitical solution is possible ?
many thanks

P.S. move post here, if I understood well, it was a hint
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
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