Circular Motion and angle alpha

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle alpha at which a plumb bob is deflected by the gravitational influence of a nearby mountain. The user attempts to derive a formula for alpha based on the mass of the mountain, the distance to its center, and the Earth's mass and radius, using gravitational force equations. They express uncertainty about their approach and seek clarification on estimating the mass of Mount Everest, suggesting it could be modeled as a pyramid or cone. The response emphasizes that a rough estimate is acceptable, encouraging the use of approximate values for dimensions and density. Overall, the conversation highlights the challenges of applying physics concepts to real-world scenarios, particularly in estimating parameters with limited information.
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Homework Statement


A plumb bob is deflected from the vertical by an angle alpha due to a massive mountain nearby. (A) Find an approximate formula for alpha in terms of the mass of the mountain the distance to its center and the radius and mass of the earth
(B) Make a rough estimate of the mass of mt everest assuming it has the shape say of an equilateral pyramid or cone 4k m above its base and then (c) estimate the angle alpha of the pendulum bob if it is 5 km from the center of mt everest

Homework Equations



F= G*m1*m2/r^2

G = 6.67*10^-11

shoot idk throw some vector equations in there too

The Attempt at a Solution



well...i said
Mm = mass of mountain
m = mass of bob
Dm = Distance to mountain from bob
Fm = force exerted by mountain on bob
Me = Mass of earth
Re = radius of earth

Fm = G*Mm*m/(Dm)^2
g = G*Me/(Re)^2

i made a right triangle with vector mg, vector Fm and hypotnuse of the deflected bob string

using trig i got alpha = 90 - theta where tan(theta) = mg/Fm

I know this can't be anywhere near to right...and i don't want to attempt other parts before i get this...PLEASE HELP!
 
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That's right, if you really mean alpha=90-theta where tan(theta)=mg/Fm. Then tan(alpha)=Fm/mg.
 
Ok now can anyone help me figure out B...that is if i got A correct. I really honestly have no idea what they want me to do for B. Idk if I am supposed to look up values for this or what (i can find a rough volume of it i suppose but its not like i know the base or anything) I am certain there is NO more info on the question

PLZ HELP!
 
It says 'rough estimate'. This means 'order of magnitude'. You could say the base is a square 4km on a side, you could say it's a circle 3.5km in radius, it doesn't matter. They will only pay attention to the exponent in the angle (which will be REALLY small). You'll also need to know the density but you don't know the density either. Guess. Probably about the same density as any rock you can think of. Or the density of the earth, or even the density of water. You'll still be in the same ballpark.
 
well that problem was officially boring. Thank you very much Dick!
 
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