Circular motion involving friction and tension

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block on a turntable connected to the center by a string, with considerations of static friction and tension. The objective is to determine the maximum speed of the turntable without breaking the string, given specific parameters like the length of the string and the static friction constant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between centripetal force, tension, and friction. There are attempts to rewrite the equations governing the motion and to clarify the roles of different forces acting on the block. Questions arise regarding the necessity of the block's mass for a quantitative solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for mass to solve the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take without this information.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted absence of the mass of the block, which is critical for solving the problem. Participants are questioning whether this omission affects their ability to proceed with the calculations.

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Homework Statement


There is a block on a turntable. It is attached to the center of the table by a string with the length .4m. Also the static friction constant between the table and the block is 0.8 .
If the maximum tension the string can support is 300n how fast can the table spin without the string snapping?

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Homework Equations


mass (velocity)^2 / radius = Centripetal Force
mass x 9.8 [gravity] x U [friction constant] = Force of Friction


The Attempt at a Solution



mv^2/.4 = 300 + .8mg

V = sqr(120/m +3.136)

Where do I go from here? Can I find a quantitative value for velocity if the mass of the block is not given?

Thanks! I would appreciate it if I can get an answer tonight. My impression is that this is due tomorrow.
 
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The block is accelerating towards the center of the turntable. So the frictional force on the turntable is away from the center. Reaction to this frictional force on the block is towards the center.
Now rewrite the equation.
 
rl, I'm not sure I follow. I understand that the block is accelerating towards the center. Aren't i only concerned with the friction force on the block, which is towards the center (this is part of the forces necessary for allowing the block not to move to a farther orbit).

What I don't understand is why my equation mv^2/r = Ftension + Ffriction towards the center is incorrect. Further I don't know how to solve this without a given mass. Perhaps my teacher had forgotten to give the mass.
 
You are right. Mass must be given to solve the problem.
 

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