Classical mechanics - particle in a well; Lagrangian and Hamiltonian

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The discussion focuses on solving Problem 8.11 from Goldstein's "Classical Mechanics, 3rd Edition," which involves a particle confined in a one-dimensional box with moving walls. The problem requires the application of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics to determine the momentum of the particle over time, given its initial momentum p_0 and the elastic nature of collisions with the walls. The participant successfully derives the relationship between momentum and wall distance but seeks guidance on transitioning from a Newtonian approach to Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations.

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Homework Statement



I'm working (self-study) through Goldstein et al, Classical Mechanics, 3rd Edition, and I'm currently stuck on Problem 8.11:

A particle is confined to a one-dimensional box. The ends of the box (let these be at \pm l(t)) move slowly towards the middle. By slowly we mean the speed of the ends is small when compared to the speed of the particle. Solve the following using Lagrangian formulation and then the Hamiltonian.

(a) If the momentum of the particle is p_0 when the walls are a distance x_0 apart, find the momentum of the particle at any later time assuming the collisions with the wall are perfectly elastic. Also assume the motion is nonrelativistic at any time.

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I can solve this easily enough from standard Newtonian mechanics, but just can't get a handle on how to start from a Lagrangian or Hamiltonian viewpoint. My Newtonian approach is as follows.

Let l(t) denote the distance of the walls from the centre of the box at time t; let N(t) be the number of collisions between the particle and the walls of the box since t=0.

At time t, let the particle, of mass m, have velocity \vec{v}(t). Denote the magnitude of the particle's momentum as a function of l by p(l), and as a function of N by P(N); at any given time, these two quantities have the same value.

Because collisions between the particle and the walls are elastic, at each collision, the magnitude of the particle's momentum increases by an amount \Delta P=-2m \frac{dl}{dt};as the collisions are occurring with a high frequency, we can approximate P as a differentiable function with derivative equal to \Delta P.

The rate at which collisions between the particle and the ends of the box are occurring is
<br /> \begin{align}<br /> \frac{dN}{dt} &amp;= \frac{1}{2l/\|\vec{v}\|} \\<br /> &amp;= \frac{\|m \vec{v}\|}{2lm} \\<br /> &amp;= \frac{p}{2lm}.<br /> \end{align}<br />
Thus we have
<br /> \begin{align}<br /> \frac{dp}{dl} &amp;= \frac{dP}{dN} \frac{dN}{dt} \frac{dt}{dl} \\<br /> &amp;= -2m \frac{dl}{dt} \frac{p}{2lm} \frac{dt}{dl} \\<br /> &amp;= - \frac{p}{l},<br /> \end{align}<br />
or
\frac{dp}{p} = -\frac{dl}{l}.
This has the solution \frac{p(l)}{p(l_0)} = \frac{l_0}{l}, or p(l) l = p(l_0) l_0.
Expressed in terms of the distance between the walls, x = 2l,
p(\frac{x}{2}) x = p(\frac{x_0}{2}) x_0.
Does anyone have any hints as to how I should approach this from both a Lagrangian and a Hamiltonian basis? I've been looking over this chapter for a month now and I just can't see how to apply these ideas to this problem from the start. It almost seems that one needs to solve the problem from a Newtonian standpoint to get the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian, but that seems like solving the problem after I've solved the problem.
 
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