Classify the following improper integral with the parameter

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the improper integral \(\int\limits_{0}^{3}{\frac{{{x}^{3\alpha }}}{{{\left( 9-{{x}^{2}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}}\) with respect to the parameter \(\alpha\). Participants are exploring the conditions under which this integral converges or diverges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss simplifying the integral and attempting to find bounding functions for the integrand. There are questions about the validity of these bounds and how they relate to the convergence of the integral. Some participants suggest revising strategies and exploring variable changes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about bounding functions. There is a recognition of the need for a revised approach to determine convergence properties, particularly for different values of \(\alpha\). Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of bounds and the importance of understanding divergence at specific points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integrand diverges at \(x = 3\) for positive \(\alpha\) and at \(x = 0\) for negative \(\alpha\). There is also mention of the importance of including the differential in the integral notation.

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Homework Statement


Discuss for alpha the convergence of the following improper integral:
[tex]\displaystyle \int\limits_{0}^{3}{\frac{{{x}^{3\alpha }}}{{{\left( 9-{{x}^{2}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}}[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


Well, my attempt was to simplify the integral to:

[tex]\displaystyle \int\limits_{0}^{3}{{{\left( \frac{{{x}^{3}}}{9-{{x}^{2}}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}[/tex]

After that my idea was to bound the function above by [tex]\displaystyle {{x}^{3a}}[/tex] but I don't know if that's correct, because [tex]\displaystyle {{x}^{3a}}[/tex] is greater than the original function but it could happen that it's not greater for all x, so how can I find a function I can use to bound the function in the interval of integration [0,3]?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Hernaner28 said:

Homework Statement


Discuss for alpha the convergence of the following improper integral:
[tex]\displaystyle \int\limits_{0}^{3}{\frac{{{x}^{3\alpha }}}{{{\left( 9-{{x}^{2}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}}[/tex]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


Well, my attempt was to simplify the integral to:

[tex]\displaystyle \int\limits_{0}^{3}{{{\left( \frac{{{x}^{3}}}{9-{{x}^{2}}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}[/tex]

After that my idea was to bound the function above by [tex]\displaystyle {{x}^{3a}}[/tex] but I don't know if that's correct, because [tex]\displaystyle {{x}^{3a}}[/tex] is greater than the original function but it could happen that it's not greater for all x, so how can I find a function I can use to bound the function in the interval of integration [0,3]?

Thanks for your help.

For positive [itex]\alpha[/itex] your integrand diverges at x = 3, where the denominator is zero. How are you going to find a function which bounds that? I think you need a revised strategy to figure out the convergence properties of this integral. You might try choosing a function (or functions) which is greater than your integrand but has the same divergence, and which you can evaluate the integral of.

Similarly, for negative [itex]\alpha[/itex] your integrand diverges at x = 0.
 
Well, I did find two functions which bounds that:[tex]\dfrac{4x}{9-x^2}\leq \dfrac{x^3}{9-x^2}\leq \dfrac{9x}{9-x^2}[/tex]

Why you say I cannot bound it?

Now what can I do with that? It's still tough for me
 
Hernaner28 said:
Well, I did find two functions which bounds that:


[tex]\dfrac{4x}{9-x^2}\leq \dfrac{x^3}{9-x^2}\leq \dfrac{9x}{9-x^2}[/tex]

Why you say I cannot bound it?

Now what can I do with that? It's still tough for me

Perhaps I misunderstood your original post. It appeared that you were trying to bound the function with x3a rather than x3a/(9-x2).

In any event, I'm not sure if just using bounds alone are going to be the easiest way to show the result you want, at least for positive alpha. You might want to try changing variables first, and then finding a bound.

Another piece of knowledge that will be useful is the answer to this question: for what values of [itex]\alpha[/itex] does

[tex]\int_0^c du~\frac{1}{u^\alpha}[/tex]

converge, where the upper limit c is a finite constant?
 
Hernaner28 said:

Homework Statement


Discuss for alpha the convergence of the following improper integral:
[tex]\displaystyle \int\limits_{0}^{3}{\frac{{{x}^{3\alpha }}}{{{\left( 9-{{x}^{2}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}}[/tex]
...

BTW:

I have this pet peeve about leaving the differential symbol out of integrals, dx, in this case.

[itex]\displaystyle \int\limits_{0}^{3}{\frac{{{x}^{3\alpha }}}{{{\left( 9-{{x}^{2}} \right)}^{\alpha }}}}\,dx[/itex]
 
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SammyS said:
Actually, your integral diverges for α ≥ ...


I think the entire point of the OP's problem is to find that out! You probably shouldn't just give it away! =P
 
Mute said:
I think the entire point of the OP's problem is to find that out! You probably shouldn't just give it away! =P
Oops ! I edited that out.

You might want to also.
 
SammyS said:
Oops ! I edited that out.

You might want to also.

Too late to completely edit it out the fact that it diverges for some values of alpha; fortunately I had the foresight to remove the value from the quoted post when I posted.
 

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