Clebsch-Gordan coefficients symmetry relation

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The discussion revolves around the symmetry relation of Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, specifically addressing why the coefficients #### and #### are negative of each other when the sum ##j_1+j_2-j## is odd. Participants explore the implications of particle labeling and the mathematical properties of angular momentum in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the negative relationship between the coefficients, suggesting that since nature is indifferent to particle labeling, the coefficients should have the same sign.
  • Another participant introduces the analogy of the cross product, noting that the order of multiplication affects the sign, implying that the order in the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients may similarly matter.
  • A further inquiry is made regarding the necessity of the negative sign when the order is reversed, asking for an example that illustrates this point.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of the relative sign of the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients in capturing the SU(2) algebra, indicating that the sign is crucial when adding terms.

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Participants express differing views on the symmetry of the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, with no consensus reached regarding the implications of particle labeling and the necessity of the negative sign in certain contexts.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of angular momentum coupling and the mathematical structures involved, with references to specific equations that may require further clarification or context for full understanding.

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Why are ##<j_1j_2m_1m_2|jm>## and ##<j_2j_1m_2m_1|jm>## negative of each other when ##j_1+j_2-j## is odd as given below?
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I would expect ##<j_1j_2m_1m_2|jm>## and ##<j_2j_1m_2m_1|jm>## to always have the same sign since nature doesn't care which particle we label as particle 1 and which as particle 2.

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From (6.274), isn't it true that
##|j_1j_2m_1m_2>\,=|j_1m_1>|j_2m_2>\,=|j_2m_2>|j_1m_1>\,=|j_2j_1m_2m_1>##?

And hence
##<j_1j_2m_1m_2|=\,<j_2j_1m_2m_1|##?

And so ##<j_1j_2m_1m_2|jm>## and ##<j_2j_1m_2m_1|jm>## should always have the same sign.

##j## is the general angular momentum quantum number and ##m## is the associated magnetic quantum number.
 
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Think of a cross product: a x b is - b x a, even though nature doesn't care which particle we call a and which we call b.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Think of a cross product: a x b is - b x a, even though nature doesn't care which particle we call a and which we call b.

Why does the order in the direct product matter?

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From (6.276),
##J_z \psi_{j_2 j_1 m_2 m_1}=(m_1+m_2)\hbar\psi_{j_2 j_1 m_2 m_1}##

It seems like the order doesn't matter. Could you give an example where the negative sign is necessary when the order is flipped around?
 
The important thing the C-G coefficients is their relative sign. That's where the SU(2) algebra is captured. You will need the sign only when you add terms.
 

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