Coefficient of friction/ dynamics problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves dynamics and the coefficient of friction, specifically focusing on a scenario where a skater experiences deceleration due to friction after moving onto a rough patch of ice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the net force acting on the skater after encountering friction but expresses confusion about determining this force. Participants discuss the relationship between friction and net force, with one suggesting that the frictional force itself represents the net force in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one providing clarification on the role of friction as the net force. There is a recognition of the dynamics involved, particularly regarding deceleration due to friction, but no explicit consensus or resolution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of previous class discussions involving additional forces, such as pushing, which may influence the understanding of net force in different scenarios. The original poster acknowledges a lack of recent experience with problems solely involving friction.

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Homework Statement


Lilly, whos mass is 45.0 kg, is ice skating with a constant speed of 7.00 m/s when she hits a rough patch of ice with a coefficient of friction of 0.0800. How long will it take before Lilly coasts to a stop?

m=45 kg
v=7m/s
coefficient of friction=.08

Homework Equations


equation 1: f=(coefficient of friction) x Normal Force
equation 2: v=u+at


The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the force of friction is 35.2 N. I got this by using equation 1.

I know that Lilly is no longer going at a constant speed once she hits the rough patch of ice, so I know she is not in equilibrium, and therefore there must be some acceleration. In order to find the acceleration though, I must know the net force. I'm having trouble figuring out how to find that.

Can anyone please give me a hint on how to find the net force? Thanks in advance if you can!
 
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If you've found the friction, you've found the net force in the horizontal direction. Keep in mind that the frictional force points opposite to the motion of the skater, and therefore the skater will have a constant deceleration. You know that fk = ma by Newton's Second Law, now you can find the deceleration. Does that help?
 
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ahh! yes, thank you soo much! I always forget that the net force is just friction, because it seems weird that's its going in the opposite direction as the net force. Thank you soo much!
 
it being the skater
 
lah214 said:
ahh! yes, thank you soo much! I always forget that the net force is just friction, because it seems weird that's its going in the opposite direction as the net force. Thank you soo much!

You're welcome. Just to make sure you have a handle on what's going on, remember that the net force is equal to ma. We juse happened to encounter a case where the friction was the only force acting in the horizontal direction. If someone was pushing the skater at the same time, we'd have to account for the friction and the pushing force in the net force equation.
 
Oh, yeah, that's actually what we've been doing in my class lately: the pushing at the same time. It had been some time since we had a problem where the only force was friction, hah, and I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out how to do it. Anyway, thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it!
 

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