Proving Commutation of an Operator with Rotation Generator Components

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In summary, the conversation discusses proving that if operator A commutes with two components of the rotation generator operator J, then it also commutes with the third component. The relevant equations and the Jacobi identity are used to show that this is indeed the case.
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Homework Statement


Prove that if A is an operator which commutes with two components of the rotation generator operator, J, then it commute with its third component.


Homework Equations


[tex][A_{\alpha},J_{\beta}]=i \hbar \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma} A_{\gamma}[/tex]
(not sure about the sign of this commutator it might be minus.


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, then I am given:
[tex][A,J_{\alpha}]=[A,J_{\beta}]=0[/tex]
thus also [tex][A^2,J^2]=[A^2_{\alpha}+A^2_{\beta}+A^2_{\gamma},J^2_{\alpha}+J^2_{\beta}+J^2_{\gamma}]=[A^2,J^2_{\gamma}]=0[/tex] I used the above relevant equations to get to the last equality, but here is where I am stuck, I also know that [tex][A^2,J_{\gamma}]=0[/tex], but I don't seem to get to the last punch line which is [tex][A,J_{\gamma}]=0[/tex].

Any hints?
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
[tex][A_{\alpha},J_{\beta}]=i \hbar \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma} A_{\gamma}[/tex]
(not sure about the sign of this commutator it might be minus.

Did you really mean to write this?

All directions are equivalennt, so, WLOG, you can pick J_1 and J_2 as the components that commute with A.
Use [J_1 , J_2] = i \hbar J_3 in [A , J_3], and maybe use the Jacobi identity.
 
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OK thanks, I glossed over Jacobi identity in Wiki, and it does the job.
 
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A more transparent way might be to expand completely (i.e., get rid all commutators) [A, [J_1, J_2]], and use the fact that A commutes with J_1 and J_2 to move all the A's completely to right (or left) of all the terms.
 

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A commutator is a mechanical or electrical device that is used to change the direction of current or motion. It consists of two metal contacts that rotate with an armature, allowing electrical connections to be made between different parts of a circuit or mechanical system.

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