Comparing Properties of Magnetic & Non-Magnetic Stainless Steel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of magnetic and non-magnetic stainless steels, specifically Martensitic, Ferritic, and Austenitic types. Participants explore the trade-offs associated with these different types, including durability, machinability, and applications in finished products.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the trade-offs of magnetic versus non-magnetic stainless steels, questioning if magnetism affects durability against rust and scratches.
  • There is a suggestion that the ease of milling or rolling these steels into shapes may differ based on their magnetic properties.
  • One participant references an article that discusses the composition and microstructure of different stainless steels, noting that these factors influence properties like corrosion resistance and magnetization.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of precipitation-hardening martensitic stainless steels, which have corrosion resistance comparable to austenitic varieties but can achieve higher strengths.
  • Duplex stainless steels are highlighted as having a mixed microstructure that offers improved strength and localized corrosion resistance.
  • One participant suggests the possibility of cladding different types of stainless steel to combine their properties, though this requires careful consideration of subsequent processes like welding.
  • There is a mention of Austenitic stainless steel being commonly used as a biomaterial in applications such as hip joints and valves.
  • A participant notes the relationship between electronic structure, magnetism, conductivity, and oxidation, recommending further reading on high-temperature corrosion for deeper understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the initial responses and the utility of external sources like Wikipedia. While some agree on the importance of understanding the trade-offs between different stainless steels, the discussion remains unresolved regarding specific properties and applications.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the properties of stainless steels depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion. The relationship between magnetism and other physical properties is mentioned but not elaborated upon.

Bill 101
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If there are magnetic and non-magnetic stainless steels,( Martensitic, Ferritic & Austenitic) because of their different physical properties, then what are the trade-offs ’?

For example: Being magnetic is it less durable in resisting rust, scratches ext.) ?
Can you mill or roll one into shapes easer then the other?
What would be an example of use in a finished product for each?
 
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mgb,
If your knowledge base is limited to irony and you find the questions to difficult, then don’t reply with such an ignorant answer.
 
Bill 101 said:
mgb,
If your knowledge base is limited to irony and you find the questions to difficult, then don’t reply with such an ignorant answer.
mgb_phys pointed to an article that states the differences between austenitic, ferritic and martensitic stainless steels. Composition and microstructure, which is related to composition and thermomechanical treatment, determine the properties such as corrosion resistance, strength, toughness and ferro-magnetism or magnetization.

Furthermore, the article mentions other forms - Precipitation-hardening martensitic stainless steels, which "have corrosion resistance comparable to austenitic varieties, but can be precipitation hardened to even higher strengths than the other martensitic grades," and duplex stainless steels, "which have a mixed microstructure of austenite and ferrite" and "have improved strength over austenitic stainless steels and also improved resistance to localised corrosion, particularly pitting, crevice corrosion and stress corrosion cracking."

One could even clad a one type of steel, e.g., martensitic steel, with an another kind, e.g., austenitic steel (an example of apply a corrosion resistant (protective) layer to a mechanical substrate). However, one must then devise subsequent processes, such as welding with that in mind.
 
Bill 101 said:
mgb,
If your knowledge base is limited to irony and you find the questions to difficult, then don’t reply with such an ignorant answer.
It wasn't an ignorant answer, there's not much point in re-typing an intro to the different types of stainless when wiki does a good job.
Once you know which class of ss you need we can narrow down which exact alloy is best
 
Bill 101 said:
mgb,
If your knowledge base is limited to irony and you find the questions to difficult, then don’t reply with such an ignorant answer.

Bill 101:

The folks here are polite.

You are not.

You owe them an apology.

Thank you.
 
spacester said:
The folks here are polite.
Generally we aren't, but we are normally helpful when it comes to technical answers :smile:
 
mgb_phys said:
It wasn't an ignorant answer, there's not much point in re-typing an intro to the different types of stainless when wiki does a good job.
Once you know which class of ss you need we can narrow down which exact alloy is best

Agreed. You pointed to a 2,110 word article containg not only the answer to his question, but ancilliary material, as well.

In its earlier years, Wikipedia got a bad rep, but it's content these days is quite remarkable.

Let's get back to the OP's question regarding tradeoffs between "magnetic and non-magnetic stainless steels, (Martensitic, Ferritic & Austenitic)."
 
trade offs

yup they exihibit superficial properties relevant to others

say,Austenite SS is oftenly used as a biomaterial,commonly in joints(hip joint etc.),valves and may be more.
 
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Since electronic structure is related to magnetism, conductivity, and oxidation (exchange of electrons) they are all related.
I recommend you to read Per Kofstad's "High temperature Corrosion", and see if you still have some questions afterward.
 

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