Complex ion oxidation state (with pic)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the oxidation states of cobalt in a complex ion, with participants evaluating and critiquing various proposed oxidation states based on the coordination environment and theoretical considerations. The scope includes theoretical chemistry, practical applications, and conceptual clarifications regarding oxidation states in coordination complexes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims the oxidation state of central cobalt is +6 due to the presence of six oxygen ligands, while another cobalt is +2 due to two oxygen ligands and NH3, which does not contribute to the oxidation state.
  • Another participant argues that oxidation states are merely an accounting device and do not reflect measurable properties of atoms, suggesting that assigning oxidation states in large complexes lacks real insight.
  • A critique is raised regarding the total charge calculation based on the proposed oxidation states, questioning the balance with the number of chloride ions.
  • One participant acknowledges missing hydroxide ions in their calculations, indicating a correction to their earlier statement.
  • Another participant supports the utility of oxidation states in practical chemistry, citing examples where different oxidation states provide insight into the behavior of compounds.
  • A later reply reiterates the argument against the existence of certain oxidation states, specifically stating that Co+6 is not a known oxidation state and questions the feasibility of such a state based on electron configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the validity and utility of oxidation states, with some defending their use in practical contexts while others challenge their relevance in complex ions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct oxidation states and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about oxidation states, the definitions used, and the unresolved mathematical steps in charge balancing. The discussion also reflects differing perspectives on theoretical versus practical chemistry.

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Homework Statement
What are the oxidation states of the cobalt ions?
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my solution:
oxidation state of central cobalt is +6 due to 6 oxygen surrounding it,The other cobalt is +2 due to 2 oxygen surrounding it with NH3 ligand which is no count for oxidation state.
 
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First of all, please remember oxidation state doesn't exist - it is merely an accounting device helping in electron bookkeeping, in most cases there is no measurable property of an atom that can be measured and called "oxidation state".

Then, assigning oxidation states to atoms in large complexes doesn't make much sense. They don't exist in separation but are all part of molecule and are bonded with molecular orbitals. Using arbitrary rules to assign some number to an atom doesn't produce any real insight into what is really happening. We can measure charge density with some spectroscopic methods, but it will show electron cloud that can't be easily split into "charges on atoms".
 
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On the other hand...

Let us evaluate your answer. You say that the central Co is +6 and each of the three “ligand” Co complexes contains a Co+2. This gives a total charge of 6+2+2+2=+12. This total charge is balanced by only 6 Cl-1?
 
I agree with Borek as a theoretical chemist, but from practical chemistry side, there are many examples where oxidation state is useful beyond electron counting. E.g. there are compounds like Fe3O4 where the iron ions are in differently coordinated sites and also differ in their spectroscopic behaviour so that the compound is better regarded as an Fe(II) Fe(III)2 O4 than a Fe(2.66)3O4.
 
Borek said:
@chemisttree I feel like you may have missed 6 OH-?
You’re right, I did miss the the 6 OH-1. 😐
 
Borek said:
First of all, please remember oxidation state doesn't exist - it is merely an accounting device helping in electron bookkeeping, in most cases there is no measurable property of an atom that can be measured and called "oxidation state".

Then, assigning oxidation states to atoms in large complexes doesn't make much sense. They don't exist in separation but are all part of molecule and are bonded with molecular orbitals. Using arbitrary rules to assign some number to an atom doesn't produce any real insight into what is really happening. We can measure charge density with some spectroscopic methods, but it will show electron cloud that can't be easily split into "charges on atoms".
According to textbook, what you said is true but I still have to tackle the exam...please educate me why its oxidation number is 3 for all cobalts
 
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You would have to know that Co+6 is not a known oxidation state of cobalt. That unknown ion (maybe you will find it in the sun’s coronasphere) would be isoelectronic with scandium. [Ar]4s23d1 would be pretty unusual for Co, right? And try to add six pairs of electrons to that and see if it looks right to you?
 

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