Complex real function u when f = u + iv

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The discussion revolves around finding the real functions \(u\) and \(v\) such that \(f = u + iv\) for the complex function \(f(z) = \arctan(z)\). Participants explore various approaches to separate the real and imaginary parts of the function, including identities and manipulations involving logarithms and tangent functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the identity \(\tan^{-1} z = \frac{i}{2} \ln \frac{1 - iz}{1 + iz}\) to separate real and imaginary parts by substituting \(z = x + iy\).
  • One participant challenges the claim that \(\arctan(z) = \frac{1}{z}\), stating that it is not true and questioning the reasoning behind that assertion.
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the tangent function to express it in terms of its real and imaginary components, starting from \(f(z) = u(x,y) + iv(x,y)\).
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which the argument of the logarithm becomes imaginary, with references to specific calculations involving complex numbers.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to derive a specific expression for the real part of the function from a logarithmic form, indicating a need for further explanation of the steps involved.
  • Some participants clarify their intentions, emphasizing that they aim to find the real and imaginary parts of \(\arctan(z)\) rather than solving an equation involving \(\arctan(z)\) and \(1/z\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of certain identities or approaches. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct methods to separate the real and imaginary parts of \(\arctan(z)\), and the discussion includes corrections and challenges to earlier claims.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific definitions or identities that may not be universally accepted. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the complex function involved.

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Find the real functions \(u\) and \(v\) such that \(f = u + iv\) for \(f(z) = \arctan(z)\).
Does below work or make sense to do?
\[
\arctan(z) = \frac{1}{z} = \frac{1}{x+iy} = \frac{x}{x^2 + y^2} - i\frac{y}{x^2 + y^2}
\]
 
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Re: complex real function u when f = u + iv

dwsmith said:
Find the real functions \(u\) and \(v\) such that \(f = u + iv\) for \(f(z) = \arctan(z)\).
Does below work or make sense to do?
\[
\arctan(z) = \frac{1}{z} = \frac{1}{x+iy} = \frac{x}{x^2 + y^2} - i\frac{y}{x^2 + y^2}
\]

May be it has more sense the identity...

$\displaystyle \tan^{-1} z = \frac{i}{2}\ \ln \frac{1 - i\ z}{1 + i\ z}\ (1)$

Now set in (1) $z = x + i\ y$ and separe the real and imaginary parts...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Re: complex real function u when f = u + iv

dwsmith said:
Find the real functions \(u\) and \(v\) such that \(f = u + iv\) for \(f(z) = \arctan(z)\).
Does below work or make sense to do?
\[
\arctan(z) = \frac{1}{z} = \frac{1}{x+iy} = \frac{x}{x^2 + y^2} - i\frac{y}{x^2 + y^2}
\]
\arctan(z)= \frac{1}{z} certainly does NOT make sense- it is not true. What made you write that?
 
dwsmith said:
Find the real functions \(u\) and \(v\) such that \(f = u + iv\) for \(f(z) = \arctan(z)\).
Does below work or make sense to do?
\[
\arctan(z) = \frac{1}{z} = \frac{1}{x+iy} = \frac{x}{x^2 + y^2} - i\frac{y}{x^2 + y^2}
\]

I'd consider writing \displaystyle \begin{align*} z = x + i\,y \end{align*}, then \displaystyle \begin{align*} f(z) = u(x,y) + i\,v(x,y) \end{align*}, then

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \arctan{ (x + i\,y) } &= u + i\,v \\ x + i\,y &= \tan{ \left( u + i\,v \right) } \end{align*}

and trying to manipulate the tangent function so you can write it in terms of its real and imaginary parts...
 
Re: complex real function u when f = u + iv

chisigma said:
May be it has more sense the identity...

$\displaystyle \tan^{-1} z = \frac{i}{2}\ \ln \frac{1 - i\ z}{1 + i\ z}\ (1)$

Now set in (1) $z = x + i\ y$ and separe the real and imaginary parts...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

In doing so, we have
\[
\frac{i}{2}\ln(1 + y - ix) - \frac{i}{2}\ln(1 - y + ix)
\]
Let \(z_1 = 1 + y - ix\) and \(z_2 = 1 - y + ix\).
Then \(\lvert z_1\rvert = \sqrt{(1 + y)^2 + x^2}\), \(\varphi_1 = -\arctan\left(\frac{x}{1 + y}\right)\), \(\lvert z_2\rvert = \sqrt{(1 - y)^2 + x^2}\), and \(\varphi_2 = -\arctan\left(\frac{x}{1 - y}\right)\).

Mathematica has that one term of the real part is
\[
\frac{1}{4}\text{Im}\left(\ln\left[\frac{(1 + y)^2 + x^2}{(1 - y)^2 + x^2}\right]\right)
\]
but when is the argument of the ln imaginary? Is it ever?
 
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\(\DeclareMathOperator{\Arg}{Arg}\)
How do I go from
\[\frac{i}{4}\ln\Bigg[\frac{(1 + y)^2 + x^2}{(1 - y)^2 + x^2}\Bigg] -
\frac{1}{2}\Arg\bigg[\frac{1 + y - ix}{1 - y + ix}\bigg]
\]
to the real part is
\[
\frac{1}{2} \left(-\arg \left(\frac{\sqrt{x^2+(y+1)^2}}{\sqrt{x^2+(y-1)^2}}\right)-\arg \left(-1-\frac{2}{-i x+y-1}\right)\right)
\]
More specifically, how is \(-\arg \left(\frac{\sqrt{x^2+(y+1)^2}}{\sqrt{x^2+(y-1)^2}}\right)\) obtained?
 
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You titled this "complex function". But it appears you are trying to solve the equation arctan(z)= 1/z. Is that correct?
 
HallsofIvy said:
You titled this "complex function". But it appears you are trying to solve the equation arctan(z)= 1/z. Is that correct?

No.

I want to find the real and imaginary parts of \(\arctan(z)\). I came up with the \(\frac{1}{z}\) by using a right triangle; however, that was noted to be incorrect. I have the form of \(\arctan(z)\) but I don't know how Mathematica achieved part of its real part solution which I asked in my next most recent post.
 

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