Compute the velocity of a free-falling parachutist using Euler's method

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The problem involves computing the velocity of a free-falling parachutist using Euler's method, specifically applying a second order drag model. The scenario includes an initial upward velocity and a change in drag coefficient when the parachute is deployed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the initial upward velocity on the calculations, questioning how to correctly apply gravitational acceleration and drag in the context of their chosen sign conventions. There is also consideration of whether to use the initial velocity squared or the current velocity squared in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on sign conventions for velocity and acceleration, while others are exploring the implications of these conventions on the drag force calculations. The discussion is ongoing with multiple interpretations being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of applying Euler's method with changing conditions, including the instantaneous deployment of the parachute and the associated change in drag coefficient. There are concerns about the initial conditions and their impact on the results.

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Homework Statement



For the second order drag model (Eq. 1.8), compute the velocity of a free-falling parachutist using Euler's method for the case where,

m = 80 kg
Cd = .25 kg/m

Perform the calculation from t = 0 to 20 with a step size of 1 s. Use an initial condition that the parachutist has an upward velocity of 20 m/s at t = 0. At t=10 s, assume that the chute is instantaneously deployed so that the drag coefficient jumps to 1.5 kg/m.

Homework Equations



Eq. 1.8,

dv/dt = g-((Cd)/m)*v2

The Attempt at a Solution



Used equation v(ti+1) = v(ti) + [g - (Cd/m)*v(ti)2](ti+1 - ti)v

(Used in example in book, unfortunately no example w/ an initial condition with an "upward velocity" though)

Plugged in the values to achieve,

t = 0... V = 20 + [9.81 - (.25/80)(0)2] *1 = 29.81m/s
t= 1...V = 29.81 + [9.81 - (.25/80)2]*1 = 36.51m/s
t =2....V=36.51 + [9.81-(.25/80)2]*1 = 42.15 m/s
...so on until t = 10 where Cd changes from .25 to 1.5

Am I doing this right? I don't know how the "upward velocity = 20" works into this. I assumed that it is the initial v(ti) as you can see from the first solution I have where t = 0, which may or may not be horribly wrong.

Thanks, much appreciated.
 
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Since you are representing an upward velocity as positive, you must have g as negative here. Try making g negative.
 
Making g negative makes sense to me but it begins to produce negative velocities. Also I made a mistake in the above post,

t = 0... V = 20 + [9.81 - (.25/80)(0)2] *1 = 29.81m/s
t= 1...V = 29.81 + [9.81 - (.25/80)2]*1 = 36.51m/s
t =2....V=36.51 + [9.81-(.25/80)2]*1 = 42.15 m/s
...so on until t = 10 where Cd changes from .25 to 1.5

Should read

t = 0... V = 20 + [9.81 - (.25/80)(0)2] *1 = 29.81m/s
t= 1...V = 29.81 + [9.81 - (.25/80)(29.81)2]*1 = 36.51m/s
t =2....V=36.51 + [9.81-(.25/80)(36.51)2]*1 = 42.15 m/s
...so on until t = 10 where Cd changes from .25 to 1.5

But in looking at that I realize perhaps that v(ti)2 should be 202 initially rather than 02.

Thoughts? Help?

Thanks
 
Let's step back and think about the math here, and the physics as well.

You initially have the parachutist going upwards. Gravitational acceleration is obviously directed downwards. You will need some sign convention on velocity and acceleration to handle this scenario. If you choose the sign convention such that downward velocity is positive, your value for g will be positive and your initial velocity will be negative. If you choose the sign convention such that upward velocity is positive, your value for g will be negative and your initial velocity will be positive.

That is not enough to cover this scenario. The other problem is drag. Drag is always directed against the velocity vector. If your velocity is positive (regardless of sign convention), the drag acceleration must be negative. If your velocity is negative, the drag acceleration must be positive. You have drag acceleration as - (c_d/m)v^2, so it is always negative. This is incorrect for negative velocities. One way to correct this is to compute the drag acceleration as - (c_d/m)(v^3/|v|).
 
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