Concept of an area vector when finding magnetic flux

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The discussion centers on the concept of an area vector in the context of calculating magnetic flux in electromagnetic induction. Participants explore the definition of magnetic flux, the role of the area vector, and the reasoning behind using cosine in the flux equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Rob questions why the angle in the magnetic flux equation is measured with respect to the area vector rather than the plane of the loop, suggesting an alternative formulation using sine.
  • One participant explains that cosine is used because it focuses on the component of the magnetic field that is perpendicular to the area, indicating that this approach is standard in introductory physics.
  • Another participant argues that the flux through an area represents the amount of magnetic field piercing that area, supporting the use of cosine since it aligns with the physical interpretation of flux when the field is perpendicular.
  • A further contribution states that the relationship can be expressed as a dot product, reinforcing the use of cosine based on vector definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of cosine in the magnetic flux equation, but there is a lack of consensus on the reasoning behind it, with some exploring alternative interpretations of the angle measurement.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the question of why the angle is defined in this manner, leaving open the possibility of different interpretations regarding the definitions and applications of magnetic flux.

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Students and educators in physics, particularly those studying electromagnetic induction and magnetic flux concepts.

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Concept of an "area vector" when finding magnetic flux

Hello,

I'm currently learning basic Electromagnetic Induction, specifically induced emf in a loop. According to my textbook, magnetic flux is defined as:
\Phi = BA cos \theta
Given that the field is uniform and is traveling through a constant area (the loop in this case).

The textbook then says \theta is defined as the angle between the area vector (A) and magnetic field (B). The book's only explanation of an area vector is "Its direction is normal to the loop's plane, and its magnitude is equal to the area of the loop."

My question is, why do we measure the angle with respect to the area vector, and not the plane of the loop? In other words, why do we say magnetic flux is defined as the above equation instead of:
\Phi = BA sin \theta ?
Where \theta is defined as the angle between the loop and the magnetic field.

Thanks in advance...

-Rob-
 
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We use cosine because in regards to magnetic flux, we only concentrate on the component of the magnetic field that is perpendicular to the plane of the area. The normal of the area (the line perpendicular to the plane) is used because it essentially is the simplest method to follow in basic or intro physics.

If we use sine, where theta is defined as you say, and the given angle is to the normal, then theta is the complementary angle to the given angle.
In general, we can use your method, but the definitions for magnetic flux follows the use of the normal line to the plane of the area.
 


Because flux through an area is the amount of field piercing the area. If the field were completely perpendicular to the area, then you would want the formula to be BA (you don't expect any correction for angle in this case, since the field is already piercing the area in the simplest way). The more general formula BAcos(theta) when the field is not perpendicular reduces to BAcos(0)=BA when the field is perpendicular, so that suggests that the cosine is indeed right.
 


Simply because \Phi = \vec{A} \cdot \vec{B}

And the magnitude of the dot product is defined as ABcos\theta, where \theta is the angle between the two vectors.
 


Thanks for all you help

-Rob-
 

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