Concerning the Gaussion integral in polar coordinates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Gaussian integral in polar coordinates, specifically addressing the limits of integration for the angle theta, which ranges from 0 to 2π. Participants explore the implications of these limits in the context of the exponential function and its behavior in different quadrants of the Cartesian plane.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why theta ranges from 0 to 2π, arguing that the exponential function cannot yield negative values, suggesting that it should not be present in the third and fourth quadrants.
  • Another participant clarifies that the limits of integration are related to covering the entire plane, indicating that theta must encompass all angles from 0 to 2π to account for all possible values of r.
  • A participant notes that the exponential functions e^{-x^2} and e^{-y^2} are defined for all x and y, implying that they exist in all quadrants of the Cartesian plane.
  • There is a reiteration that it is the value of the exponential function that is never negative, not the variables themselves.
  • A humorous exchange occurs regarding the phrasing of "never negative," highlighting the playful tone among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the limits for theta in the integral, with some emphasizing the need to cover the entire plane while others focus on the behavior of the exponential function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these limits.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the behavior of the exponential function and its representation in polar coordinates that are not fully explored, leading to potential misunderstandings about the integration limits.

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I'm looking at the proof for the Gaussion integral in polar coordinates and I don´t understand why theta reaches from 0 to 2pi in the integral since you can´t get a negative value out of an exponential function (and therefor the exponential function is never in the 3rd and fourth quadrant, which spans pi to 2pi). Here's the proof

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/5/b/85bb26bab98e69735c439dcfee9807d6.png part 1

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/1/0/f10de92bc974482b9f714bdaa7fda10d.png part 2
 
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naggy said:
I don´t understand why theta reaches from 0 to 2pi in the integral since you can´t get a negative value out of an exponential function (and therefor the exponential function is never in the 3rd and fourth quadrant, which spans pi to 2pi).

Hi naggy! :smile:

(btw, if you type alt-p, it prints π)

It has nothing to do with the integrand (in this case, an exponential).

It's only conerned with the limits of integration, in changing from ∫∫dxdy to ∫∫drdtheta.

∫∫dxdy was over the whole plane.

So ∫∫drdtheta must be also. That means over all r and all theta.

r can't be negative, so theta has to go all the way round, from 0 to 2π. :smile:
 
When you change it to a double integral, you go from R^2 to R^3, and e^{-x^2} and e^{-y^2} are defined for all x and all y, so in effect both exponential functions are in all two dimensional quadrants.
 
It is the value of the exponential function that is never never negative, not the variables.
 
… integrating over neverland …

flebbyman said:
When you change it to a double integral, you go from R^2 to R^3

naggy, he means R^2 (… you knew that, didn't you? … :smile:)
HallsofIvy said:
It is the value of the exponential function that is never never negative, not the variables.

Do you mean never never never never negative, or never never never never never negative? :confused:
 

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