Dirac-delta function in spherical polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Dirac delta function in spherical polar coordinates, particularly focusing on the transitions between different forms of integrals and the properties of the delta function in this coordinate system. Participants explore the mathematical implications and derivations related to these transformations.

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  • One participant questions the transition from the integral form involving ##\int_0^{2\pi} d\phi \int_0^{\pi} d\theta \sin\theta## to ##\int_{-1}^{1} d\cos\theta##, suggesting it is a variable substitution.
  • Another participant confirms that the substitution is valid, noting that ##d\cos(\theta) = -\sin(\theta)d\theta##, while emphasizing that the ##\phi## integral remains unchanged.
  • A participant proposes an ansatz for the three-dimensional delta function in spherical coordinates, suggesting that it can be expressed as a product of delta functions in radial and angular components.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of expressing ##\delta(\theta - \theta')## in terms of ##\delta(\cos\theta - \cos\theta')##, with one participant asserting that there is a constant factor difference between the two forms.
  • Another participant points out the limitations of expressing the three-dimensional delta function in spherical coordinates due to singularities along the polar axis and at the origin.
  • A general formula for transforming delta functions is introduced, which relates the delta function of a function to its roots and derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of certain transformations and the properties of the delta function in spherical coordinates. There is no consensus on the correctness of the expressions involving the delta function, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that spherical coordinates have singularities that complicate the expression of the three-dimensional delta function, particularly along the polar axis and at the origin. This introduces limitations in the mathematical treatment of the delta function in this context.

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Hello.I was reading recently barton's book.I reached the part corresponding to dirac-delta functions in spherical polar coordinates.
he let :##(\theta,\phi)=\Omega## such that ##f(\mathbf {r})=f(r,\Omega)##

##\int d^3r...=\int_0^{\infty}drr^2\int_0^{2π }dφ\int_0^π dθsinθ...##

define
##\int_0^{2π}dφ\int_0^πdθsinθ=\int_0^{2π}dφ\int_{-1}^{1}dcosθ=\int d\Omega##
then## δ(\mathbf {r-r^{'}})=\frac {1}{r^2} δ(r-r')δ(\Omega-\Omega^{'})##>>>(1)
where ##δ(\Omega-\Omega^{'})=δ(φ-φ')δ(cosθ-cosθ')##>>>(2)

My problem is that I really didn't get how he switched from ##\int_0^{2π }dφ\int_0^π dθsinθ## into ##\int_{-1}^{1}dcosθ##

same thing corresponding to relations (1) and (2), I didn't get how he obtained them?
If somebody can give me a hint for obtaining them? thanks.

Relevant equations

##\int d^3rf(\mathbf{r})δ(\mathbf{r})=f(0)##
where##δ(r)=δ(x)δ(y)δ(z)##
such that ##δ(r)=1/(2π)^3\int d^3kexp(i\mathbf{k}.\mathbf{r})##

The Attempt at a Solution


I need hints to know where yo start.
 
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amjad-sh said:
My problem is that I really didn't get how he switched from ##\int_0^{2π }dφ\int_0^π dθsinθ## into ##\int_{-1}^{1}dcosθ##
That is just a regular variable substitution. Note that ##d\cos(\theta) = -\sin(\theta)d\theta##. Also, the ##\phi## integral is still there.

amjad-sh said:
same thing corresponding to relations (1) and (2), I didn't get how he obtained them?
If somebody can give me a hint for obtaining them?
The three-dimensional delta function should have the property
$$
\int f(\vec r) \delta(\vec r - \vec r_0) dV = f(\vec r_0).
$$
You know that the delta function is zero everywhere except for at ##\vec r'## so make the ansatz ##\delta(\vec r - \vec r_0) = N \delta(r-r_0)\delta(\theta - \theta_0) \delta(\phi - \phi_0)## and start computing.
 
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Orodruin said:
The three-dimensional delta function should have the property

∫f(⃗r)δ(⃗r−⃗r0)dV=f(⃗r0).∫f(r→)δ(r→−r→0)dV=f(r→0).​

\int f(\vec r) \delta(\vec r - \vec r_0) dV = f(\vec r_0).
You know that the delta function is zero everywhere except for at ⃗r′r→′\vec r' so make the ansatz δ(⃗r−⃗r0)=Nδ(r−r0)δ(θ−θ0)δ(ϕ−ϕ0)δ(r→−r→0)=Nδ(r−r0)δ(θ−θ0)δ(ϕ−ϕ0)\delta(\vec r - \vec r_0) = N \delta(r-r_0)\delta(\theta - \theta_0) \delta(\phi - \phi_0) and start computing.

I started by the relation
##\int f(\vec r)δ(\vec r- \vec r')dV=f(\vec r')##
we have## f(\vec r)=f(r,θ,φ)##
##dV=drr^2sinθdθdφ##
##\int f(\vec r)δ(\vec r -\vec r')drr^2sinθdθdφ=f(\vec r')##
Then I let## δ(\vec r -\vec r')=A_1δ(r-r')A_2δ(θ-θ')A_3δ(φ-φ')##
then I let ##f(r,θ,φ)=f(r)f(θ)f(φ)## ... I don't know if this is allowed.
Then
##\int_0^{\infty}f(r)r^2drA_1δ(r-r')\int_0^πA_2f(θ)sin(θ)dθδ(θ-θ')\int_0^{2π}A_3f(φ)δ(φ-φ')dφ=f(r',θ',φ')##
then by doing the change of variable ##u=sinθdθ## ##\int_0^πA_2f(θ)sinθδ(θ-θ')dθ=\int_{-1}^{1}f(θ)dcosθδ(cosθ-cosθ')A_2## (*)
This will lead to ##A_1=1/r^2 and A_2=1 and A_3=1##
and then ##δ(\vec r-\vec r')=1/r^2δ(r-r')δ(φ-φ')δ(cosθ-cosθ')##
What I'm not convinced about is relation (*),how the change of variable let ##δ(θ-θ')=δ(cosθ-cosθ')## If you can clarify it to me?
 
No, it is not true that ##\delta(\theta - \theta') = \delta(\cos\theta - \cos\theta')## (there is a constant factor between the two). However, you can just as well assume a factor of ##\delta(\cos\theta -\cos\theta')## instead of a factor of ##\delta(\theta-\theta')##. This is in effect what you have done.
 
One should clarify a few further things. First of all you cannot express ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x})## in spherical coordinates since spherical coordinates are singular along the entire polar axis and particularly at the origin.

Second you can use the general formula
$$\delta[f(x)]=\sum_{j} \frac{1}{|f'(x_j)|} \delta(x-x_j),$$
where ##f## is a function that has only 1st-order roots ##x_j##.

Thus for ##\vartheta, \vartheta' \in ]0,\pi[## you have
$$\delta(\cos \vartheta-\cos \vartheta')=\frac{1}{\sin \vartheta} \delta(\vartheta-\vartheta').$$
 

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