Condtion on transformation to solve the Dirac equation

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for a transformation to solve the Dirac equation, particularly focusing on the implications of changing reference frames through Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the mathematical formulations and interpretations of the transformation laws for the Dirac spinor in different inertial frames.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical derivation showing that for a transformed spinor to remain a solution of the Dirac equation, a specific condition involving the transformation matrix and gamma matrices must hold.
  • Another participant questions the validity of a step in their professor's reasoning, specifically why the Dirac equation should hold in the transformed frame.
  • It is noted that the transformation law can be expressed in different forms, with some preferring a notation that clearly distinguishes between primed and unprimed quantities.
  • Concerns are raised about potential circular reasoning in the original attempt, with a request for clarification on the soundness of the approach taken.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of notation in understanding the transformation behavior of quantized fields and suggests that different authors may use varying notations that could lead to confusion.
  • Another participant points out that the professor's notation does not consistently use primes for derivatives, which could lead to misunderstandings regarding the transformation of variables.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and correctness of the professor's approach compared to the original attempt. There is no consensus on which notation or reasoning is preferable, and some participants remain uncertain about the implications of the transformations discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in notation and assumptions made in the derivations, particularly regarding the treatment of primed versus unprimed variables and derivatives. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and approaches to the transformation of the Dirac equation.

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Given a spinor ##\psi## that solved the Dirac equation and a Lorentz transformation ##x\mapsto x^\prime :=\Lambda^{-1}x## such that ##\psi^\prime (x^\prime)=S\psi(x)## I'd like to show that ##S## has to satisfy
$$\Lambda^\mu{}_\nu S^{-1}\gamma^\nu S = \gamma^\mu$$
for ##\psi^\prime (x^\prime)## to be a solution of the Dirac equation.
The problem is given in the summary.

My attempt: Assume that ##\psi^\prime (x^\prime)## is a solution of the Dirac equation in the primed frame, given the transformation ##x\mapsto x^\prime :=\Lambda^{-1}x## and ##\psi^\prime (x^\prime)=S\psi(x)##, we have
$$
\begin{align*}
0&=(\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu^\prime - m)\psi^\prime (x^\prime) =(\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu^\prime - m)S\psi(x) \\
&=S(S^{-1}\gamma^\mu S \partial_\mu^\prime -m)\psi(x)\\
&=S({S^{-1}\gamma^\mu S \Lambda^{\nu}{}_\mu}\partial_\nu -m)\psi(x).
\end{align*}
$$
For the last equation to reduce to the Dirac equation, and therefore make ##\psi(x)## a solution of the Dirac equation, we need
$${S^{-1}\gamma^\mu S \Lambda^{\nu}{}_\mu}=\gamma^\nu.$$

My Professor did something similar, but not quite the same and I have a hard time judging if what we do is truly equivalent or if I'm just running in circles...
My Professors explanation: We first note that ##\psi^\prime(x^\prime)=S\psi(x)## is equivalent to ##\psi^\prime(x) = S\psi(\Lambda x)##. With this we find
$$
\begin{aligned}
0 &=\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}-m\right) \psi^{\prime}(x)=\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}-m\right) S \psi(\Lambda x) \\
&=\left(\gamma^{\nu} S \Lambda_{\nu}^{\mu} \partial_{\mu} \psi-S m \psi\right)(\Lambda x) \\
&=S\left(S^{-1} \gamma^{\nu} S \Lambda_{\nu}^{\mu} \partial_{\mu} \psi-\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu} \psi\right)(\Lambda x) \\
&=S\left(\Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} S^{-1} \gamma^{\nu} S-\gamma^{\mu}\right)\left(\partial_{\mu} \psi\right)(\Lambda x)
\end{aligned}
$$
So the term in the bracket must vanish for invariance of the Dirac equation.

The issue I have with his approach is that I don't really understand the first step, i.e. I don't see why
$$0 =\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}-m\right) \psi^{\prime}(x)$$
should hold.
 
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Markus Kahn said:
The issue I have with his approach is that I don't really understand the first step, i.e. I don't see why
$$0 =\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}-m\right) \psi^{\prime}(x)$$
should hold.

If you look at the working after this, what must be meant is:
$$0 =\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial'_{\mu}-m\right) \psi^{\prime}(x')$$
 
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The transformation law is
$$\psi'(x')=S \psi(x)=S \psi(\Lambda x'),$$
if ##x'=\Lambda^{-1} x## with ##\Lambda## a proper orthochronous Lorentz transformation. So I'd prefer the first demonstration, which is much clearer in distinguishing the primed and unprimed quantities referring to the two different inertial reference frames.
 
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@PeroK Could you elaborate? I'm asking because I don't see how what you write adds up with the very next line in my professors reasoning, i.e.
$$\begin{aligned}

\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}^\prime-m\right) \psi^{\prime}(x^\prime)\neq\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}-m\right) S \psi(\Lambda x) \\

\end{aligned}
$$

@vanhees71 Just to make sure, the part I labeled as "My attempt" has no circular reasoning and is sound? I'm asking because Peskin (and other places) explain it just like my Professor did, so I automatically assumed I'm making some kind of hidden assumption...
 
I think, it's sound and solid. The problem is with the primes in the argument of the field.

If you want to describe finally the transformation behavior of the quantized field, i.e., the field operators, it reads
$$\hat{U}(\Lambda) \psi(x) \hat{U}^{\dagger}(\lambda) = S \psi(\Lambda x).$$
Here ##\hat{U}(\Lambda)## is the unitary operator representing Lorentz transformations, and the transformation law describes a local realization of the Poincare group on the field operators, i.e., the field operators transform as the classical fields. That may trigger some textbook authors to use this notation also for the unquantized theory, but as I said, I prefer your notation. When I learned QFT this point confused me a lot until I understood the reason behind this somewhat less clear notation.
 
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Markus Kahn said:
@PeroK Could you elaborate? I'm asking because I don't see how what you write adds up with the very next line in my professors reasoning, i.e.
$$\begin{aligned}

\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}^\prime-m\right) \psi^{\prime}(x^\prime)\neq\left(\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu}-m\right) S \psi(\Lambda x) \\

\end{aligned}
$$
He has used ##x## to denote the variable in the transformed frame and ##\Lambda x## to denote the variable in the original frame. He's not using a prime on the spacetime coordinate or derivatives. He doesn't, as far as I can see, use any notation to distinguish between ##\partial## and ##\partial'##. He just uses the context.

He only uses a single prime on ##\psi## to indicate that he's starting in the transformed frame. That's the way some people think about these things! If it was up to me, I'd put primes everywhere.

PS

Your notation is ##x \ \rightarrow \ x' = \Lambda^{-1}x##.

His notation is ##\Lambda x \ \rightarrow \ x = \Lambda^{-1} \Lambda x##
 
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