Conic Sections: Graphing with Multiple Squares

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The discussion revolves around graphing a conic section defined by the equation 9x^2+4y^2+36x-8y+4=0. Participants are exploring the process of converting this equation into a standard form for an ellipse and identifying its characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the given equation into standard form, with attempts to identify the center, vertices, and the distance from the center to the focus. Questions arise regarding the validity of their calculations and the interpretation of the parameters involved.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing updates on their progress and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered, particularly regarding the interpretation of the distance to the focus and the implications of the parameters a and b.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the application of formulas, particularly when it comes to the relationship between a and b, and how that affects the calculation of 'c'. Participants are also navigating assumptions about the orientation of the axes in relation to the conic section.

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Homework Statement



graph the following

Homework Equations



[tex]9x^2+4y^2+36x-8y+4=0[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I need to get it into [tex]\frac{(x-x0)^2}{a^2}+\frac{(y-y0)^2}{b^2}[/tex] but I'm not sure.
I have [tex]\frac{9x^2}{-4}-8x+y^2-2y=1[/tex] and now I'm stuck
 
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Ok, update. Here's what I have so far:

[tex]\frac{(x+2)^2}{2^2}+\frac{(y-1)^2}{3^2} = 1[/tex]

Does that look right?
 
It looks fine, if you meant 4y^2 in the original post and not 47^2.
 
Thanks for catching that. I fixed it.
Ok, so now I have the following:

[tex]Center = (-2,1)[/tex]
[tex]a = 2[/tex]
[tex]b = 3[/tex]
[tex]Verticies: (0,1),(-4,1),(-2,4),(-2,-2)[/tex]

Does that look right?
 
Looks right to me. But I'm tired. You should double check.
 
haha. you're supposed to be the double checker!

I'm really stuck now. I'm trying to find 'c' and I get [tex]\sqrt{-5}[/tex]. Did I do something wrong? c is the square root of a^2 - b^2 right? Here, a = 2 and b = 3. I'm confused
 
No. YOU are supposed to be the double checker. It's your class. I'm just tossing off hints without being fully awake. I have no idea what 'c' is supposed to be. Could you just like say what it is supposed to be instead of dropping a cryptic letter? I'll take another guess and say 'distance from center to focus'? That's a lot better description than 'c'. Why don't you think it could be sqrt(3^2-2^2)? If you flip the x and y axes, do you think this distance should change from real to imaginary?
 
hmm, I'm not sure. I didn't know you could swap them like that. The formula I was going by said "distance from center to focus" = sqrt(a^2 - b^2). If you flip them, you get the real answer?
 
Surely that formula was assuming a> b. That is, that a is the length of the longer semi-axis. Don't just memorize formulas. Learn what the mean.
 

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