Connect two alternators together to double the output voltage

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of connecting two alternators to double the output voltage, specifically exploring the technical requirements and challenges involved in such a setup. Participants consider both theoretical and practical aspects of this concept, including the construction and operation of alternators.

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  • Some participants suggest that connecting two alternators to double the voltage is possible but would be impractical due to the need for identical internal construction and precise phasing.
  • Concerns are raised about the requirement for a consistent drive mechanism, as slippage in belt-driven systems could disrupt phase alignment.
  • Participants mention that using a 24-volt DC source is necessary for the exciter coil current to initiate voltage output from the alternators.
  • There is a suggestion that it may be simpler and more cost-effective to purchase a 24-volt alternator rather than attempting to connect two 12-volt alternators.
  • A later reply introduces a related inquiry about using multiple alternators in series to achieve a higher voltage output for home energy needs, questioning the necessity of identical internal construction and consistent speed.
  • Terminology confusion arises, with some participants clarifying the difference between alternators (producing AC) and generators (producing DC), and discussing the role of transformers in voltage conversion.
  • Questions are raised about the need for regulation of energy output based on varying household demands, particularly in relation to the use of multiple alternators or generators.

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Participants express differing views on the practicality and technical requirements of connecting alternators to double voltage. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing ideas about the feasibility and methods remain unresolved.

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Participants note the importance of identical internal construction and consistent operational speed for alternators, but the implications of these requirements are not fully resolved. Additionally, the discussion touches on the need for external regulation and the potential use of transformers, but specifics regarding wattage and amperage requirements are not clarified.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring alternative energy solutions, particularly those considering DIY projects involving alternators or generators for home energy production.

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Is it possible to connect two alternators together to double the output voltage, is there a way to do this?
Eg: Say two 12v Alternators connected to get 24v etc.

Thanks
 
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If you mean alternators without rectifiers (as in cars) it might be tricky because they have to be locked in phase which is usually done with them in parallel.
 


burnit said:
Is it possible to connect two alternators together to double the output voltage, is there a way to do this?
Eg: Say two 12v Alternators connected to get 24v etc.

Thanks

Yes, it could be done, but it's no easy task and would be impractical.

The alternators would require identical internal construction, they would have to be properly phased (and remain locked to that phase) therefore they couldn’t be belt driven as slippage and belt travel would alter their phase, so they would require chain or gear drive and must spin per identical ratios, AND they would require a 24 volt DC source such as a 24 volt DC battery to produce their exciter coil current so they could begin to output voltage. Additionally, they couldn’t have self-contained regulators nor the rectifying diodes, as they would need to be constructed externally for this 24 volt construction.

Considering all the above factors, it would be far less complicated and far less expensive to simply purchase an alternator that was designed to output 24 volts. Hope this helped.
 
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Gnosis said:
Yes, it could be done, but it's no easy task and would be impractical.

The alternators would require identical internal construction, they would have to be properly phased (and remain locked to that phase) therefore they couldn’t be belt driven as slippage and belt travel would alter their phase, so they would require chain or gear drive and must spin per identical ratios, AND they would require a 24 volt DC source such as a 24 volt DC battery to produce their exciter coil current so they could begin to output voltage. Additionally, they couldn’t have self-contained regulators nor the rectifying diodes, as they would need to be constructed externally for this 24 volt construction.

Considering all the above factors, it would be far less complicated and far less expensive to simply purchase an alternator that was designed to output 24 volts. Hope this helped.

I have a information seeking post in 'Electrical Engineering' relating also to alternators joined in series to produce a larger output. The plan is to build a mechanism that has several alternators connected in series to produce a combined 240v AC power supply to run a house, using a driver that requires only a small energy consumption. Something like what wind turbines are capable of but without the restrictions that plague them and hopefully a lot cheaper too. But here you mention that the alternators would need to be of identical internal construction, have no independent regulators or rectifiers, and be turning at precisely the same speed. Question: if they are the same brand and same size would that mean they are constructed identical internally; I mean is it critical that they are totally 'identical' in every aspect? Also, if what powers them (no belts or chains involved) provides a consistent force would that mean that they are all turning at precisely the same speed (as required)? If they are not, what would happen?
 


There seems to be a bit of a terminology problem here do you mean alternators (produce AC) or generators (make DC). If you are starting with an alternator all you need to boost from 24 to 240 is a transformer.
 


Jobrag said:
There seems to be a bit of a terminology problem here do you mean alternators (produce AC) or generators (make DC). If you are starting with an alternator all you need to boost from 24 to 240 is a transformer.

Thanks for your response: Yes I am talking about Alternators.. The plan, as is described in the lead post, is to construct a mechanism that is capable of proving all of the energy needs for my home. Wind turbines are far too expensive for me to purchase so I decided to try to make something that will do the same job but without relying on the forces of nature to drive it. Now, you mention that all I need is a 'transformer'. So, does that mean that I can convert a small voltage to a larger voltage that will be sufficient to provide for all that is needed in the home at any given time? I have no idea what wattage or amperage will be needed and that's what I am trying to find out. Secondly, once the mechanism is producing sufficient energy it will need to be regulated to suit the usage at any given time (is that right?). I mean: if all of the airconditioners (for example) are off the energy requirement will be less than when they are all turned on, so the mechanism will need to be regulated to provide the varying levels of energy on demand (right/wrong?) . If more than one alternator is used and connected in series, you mention the need to be very careful that the internal construction is identical and that they are being driven as the same speed at all times. Would it be the same if I used generators (DC) and then used a converter to end up with the AC that is needed? . Your further enlightenment will be much appreciated. Understand that, although I have a basic understanding of what I am planning to do I do not have much knowledge of electrical engineering.
 


Next question, what do you intend to use to drive the alternators?
 


Jobrag said:
Next question, what do you intend to use to drive the alternators?

Thanks again. Not sure yet but something that is capable of blowing air at a steady rate constantly without using a lot of energy to do it.
 


Jobrag said:
Next question, what do you intend to use to drive the alternators?

Sorry Jo,
I thought you were on the 'Electircal Engineering' forum (getting mixed up a bit). If you would like to take a look at my posts there you will get a full explanation of what I am planning and what problems I am facing. Thanks for that.
 

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