Connection between right ascension and time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between right ascension (RA) and time, particularly in the context of a scenario from Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea." Participants explore how to determine the visibility of the star Rigel in relation to sunset in Cuba, incorporating concepts of celestial coordinates and timekeeping.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about visualizing the problem and suggests that Rigel would not be visible shortly after sunset, given its RA of 05h 14m.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the 'clock' used to define RA and the local time experienced by the character in the story.
  • A further contribution clarifies that the RA is measured from the vernal equinox and that the local time in Cuba at sunset must be considered.
  • One participant introduces a formula involving Local Mean Sidereal Time (LMST), Greenwich Mean Sidereal Time (GMST), and Hour Angle (HA) to relate these concepts mathematically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, and multiple viewpoints regarding the relationship between RA, time, and visibility remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific calculations needed to determine the visibility of Rigel, including assumptions about local time and the definitions of sidereal time.

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I'm a physics major currently taking my first astro class. We're covering the basics at the moment but I am having trouble visualizing this question from our textbook. To preface this, I understand that declination is to the celestial sphere what latitude is to the Earth and RA is to the celestial sphere what longitude is to the earth. I also know that RA is measured from the vernal equinox. The problem references Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea" and describes a man in Cuba lay in his boat shortly after the sun set one September night and saw Rigel rising. I'm supposed to find what is incorrect about this. I'm fairly certain that Rigel wouldn't appear in the night sky until much later than the sun sets. Rigel's RA is 05h 14m. The longitude of Cuba (in a very general sense) is approximately 80 degrees west. But where do I go from here? Do I calculate how many hours away Cuba's longitude is from Rigel's RA? How do I factor in the time?
 
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You need to determine what 'clock' is used to define RA, and the clock used by the 'Old Man'. The rest is easy.
 
So the 'clock' used to define RA is that 0h is at the vernal equinox, and goes up east from there. The clock used by the Old Man allow him to read the time at approximately sunset in Cuba in late September?
 
There is time in the Hour Angle:
LMST = GMST + time + Longitude/15HA = LMST - RAwhere LMST is Local Mean Sidereal Time in Hours. GMST is Greenwich Mean Sidereal time. The Sidereal Time above London, England. And time is in hours also.
 

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