Connection between SU(2) and SO(3)

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The discussion centers around the connection between the groups SU(2) and SO(3), particularly focusing on the homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3) as described in a textbook. Participants explore the mathematical structures involved, including the role of traceless anti-Hermitian matrices and the implications of the Lie Algebra of SU(2).

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3) and the use of traceless anti-Hermitian matrices.
  • It is noted that the Lie Algebra of SU(2) consists of all traceless anti-Hermitian matrices, which some participants clarify as essential to the discussion.
  • There is a proposal that if the determinant is not constrained to be 1, the group becomes U(2), which has a higher dimension than SU(2), complicating the relationship with SO(3).
  • Participants discuss the conditions necessary for transformations to preserve properties such as self-adjointness, tracelessness, and determinant, questioning how these relate to ensuring the transformation corresponds to SO(3) rather than O(3).
  • One participant mentions that the homomorphism preserves local topology and that SU(2) has only one connected component, which affects the mapping to SO(3).
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of defining U(2) acting on specific vector spaces versus arbitrary vector spaces, with some participants questioning the implications of this choice.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of quaternions and their relationship to SU(2) and rotations, suggesting a broader mathematical context for the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of specific conditions for the homomorphism and the implications of using different matrix types. There is no consensus on whether the homomorphism can be established without reference to specific vector spaces or if the conditions discussed are sufficient to ensure the mapping to SO(3).

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the use of anti-Hermitian matrices instead of Hermitian matrices is a point of confusion, yet they acknowledge that both approaches can lead to the same conclusions regarding the isomorphism to ##\mathbb R^3##. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between the groups and the mathematical structures involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying group theory, Lie groups, and their applications in physics, particularly in understanding the mathematical foundations of rotations and symmetries in three-dimensional space.

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I am somewhat confused with the connection between the two groups.
In the text I'm reading (An Introduction to Tensors and Group theory for physicists N. Jeevanjee), there is a chapter quite early on (in the group theory part) which outlines a homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3), however I find this homomorphism very odd.
Why is it that we start with SU(2) on traceless anti-Hermitian matrices? There seems to be some connection here with the Lie Algebra of SU(2) however I can't put my finger on it.
 
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HomogenousCow said:
I am somewhat confused with the connection between the two groups.
In the text I'm reading (An Introduction to Tensors and Group theory for physicists N. Jeevanjee), there is a chapter quite early on (in the group theory part) which outlines a homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3), however I find this homomorphism very odd.
Why is it that we start with SU(2) on traceless anti-Hermitian matrices? There seems to be some connection here with the Lie Algebra of SU(2) however I can't put my finger on it.
An element of SO(3) is a linear operator on ##\mathbb R^3##. The set of traceless hermitian (not anti-hermitian) 2×2 matrices is a 3-dimensional vector space over ##\mathbb R##, so it's isomorphic to ##\mathbb R^3##. The Pauli spin matrices are a basis for this space, since an arbitrary x in that space can be written as
$$x=\sum_{i=1}^3 x_i\sigma_i =\begin{pmatrix}x_3 & x_1-ix_2\\ x_1+ix_2 & -x_3\end{pmatrix}.$$ The map ##(x_1,x_2,x_3)\mapsto x## is an isomorphism. Because of this isomorphism, every linear transformation on this space induces a linear transformation on ##\mathbb R^3##.

We'd like to find a linear transformation that preserves the self-adjointness, the tracelessness, and also the determinant, because ##\det x=-|x|^2##. Transformations of the form ##x\mapsto uxv## are linear. If ##v=u^{-1}##, the determinant and the trace are preserved. If ##v=u^*##, the self-adjointness is preserved. If u is unitary, the two conditions ##v=u^{-1}## and ##v=u^*## are equivalent.

Hm, at the moment I don't see why we choose u to have determinant 1.
 
HomogenousCow said:
I am somewhat confused with the connection between the two groups.
In the text I'm reading (An Introduction to Tensors and Group theory for physicists N. Jeevanjee), there is a chapter quite early on (in the group theory part) which outlines a homomorphism from SU(2) to SO(3), however I find this homomorphism very odd.
Why is it that we start with SU(2) on traceless anti-Hermitian matrices? There seems to be some connection here with the Lie Algebra of SU(2) however I can't put my finger on it.

What do you mean start with SU(2) "on" traceless anti-Hermitian matrices?

The Lie Algebra of SU(2) is exactly the set of all traceless anti-Hermitian matrices.

@Frederik: if you allow determinant to be not 1, you get the group of unitary matrices U(2) which is actually one dimension higher than SU(2) (U(2) has dimension 4 not 3) and so there is no 2 to 1 covering of SO(3) (that I'm aware of) in that case.
 
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Matterwave said:
@Frederik: if you allow determinant to be not 1, you get the group of unitary matrices U(2) which is actually one dimension higher than SU(2) (U(2) has dimension 4 not 3) and so there is no 2 to 1 covering of SO(3) (that I'm aware of) in that case.
OK, I see. The other conditions I mentioned ensure that the codomain (of the map ##x\mapsto uxv^*##) isn't larger than the domain, and that these maps correspond to linear operators on ##\mathbb R^3## that preserve the Euclidean norm. But the point of the condition det u=1 is to ensure that there are only two u's corresponding to each of those linear operators on ##\mathbb R^3## instead of infinitely many.

One detail is still bugging me. I said "linear operators on ##\mathbb R^3## that preserve the Euclidean norm". Those are ##O(3)## transformations. I see nothing here that ensures that we're dealing with SO(3) instead of O(3). None of the conditions discussed so far, including the choice between U(2) and SU(2) seems to have any effect on the sign of the determinant of the O(3) transformation corresponding to a given u in U(2) or SU(2).

We should be able to define the rotation corresponding to a given u in the following way. We have $$\sum_j x'_j\sigma_j =uxu^*=\sum_i x_iu\sigma_i u^*=\sum_ix_i\sum_j(u\sigma_i u^*)_j\sigma_j,$$ where the ##(u\sigma_iu^*)_j## is the jth component of ##u\sigma_iu^*## in the spin matrix basis. We get ##x'_j=\sum_i(u\sigma_iu^*)_j x_i##, so we can define the O(3) transformation R(u) by ##R(u)_{ji}=(u\sigma_iu^*)_j##.

What exactly is forcing the determinant of R(u) to be 1?
 
The homomorphism ##\varphi : SU(2) \to SO(3)## preserves local topology (i.e. is smooth), and ##SU(2)## only has one connected component. Therefore the image of ##\varphi## cannot be larger than the identity component of ##O(3)##.
 
Matterwave said:
What do you mean start with SU(2) "on" traceless anti-Hermitian matrices?

The Lie Algebra of SU(2) is exactly the set of all traceless anti-Hermitian matrices.

@Frederik: if you allow determinant to be not 1, you get the group of unitary matrices U(2) which is actually one dimension higher than SU(2) (U(2) has dimension 4 not 3) and so there is no 2 to 1 covering of SO(3) (that I'm aware of) in that case.

Well I mean the argument begins with considering U(2) as transformations acting on traceless anti-hermitian matricies, does that mean the homomoprhism can only be established this way? Can we not just consider U(2) on arbitrary vector spaces? (which are applicable of course)
 
HomogenousCow said:
Well I mean the argument begins with considering U(2) as transformations acting on traceless anti-hermitian matricies, does that mean the homomoprhism can only be established this way? Can we not just consider U(2) on arbitrary vector spaces? (which are applicable of course)
I checked what the book is saying. (It's on page 106 if anyone else wants to look. Unfortunately page 107 doesn't show up in the preview at Google Books). He's using anti-hermitian matrices instead of hermitian matrices as I'm used to. Apparently that works just as well, and it works for exactly the same reason. So my comments in post #2 still apply. In particular, this is a 3-dimensional vector space over ##\mathbb R## that is easily seen to be isomorphic to ##\mathbb R^3##. This is essential when you try to show that the SU(2) matrices correspond to rotations.
 
Fredrik said:
I checked what the book is saying. (It's on page 106 if anyone else wants to look. Unfortunately page 107 doesn't show up in the preview at Google Books). He's using anti-hermitian matrices instead of hermitian matrices as I'm used to. Apparently that works just as well, and it works for exactly the same reason. So my comments in post #2 still apply. In particular, this is a 3-dimensional vector space over ##\mathbb R## that is easily seen to be isomorphic to ##\mathbb R^3##. This is essential when you try to show that the SU(2) matrices correspond to rotations.

What I find strange is that we have to "make" U(2) act on a specific vector space to show the connection while the same can be done without any mention of a vector space using the lie algebra homomorphisms.
 
Complex 2 × 2 matrices are also one of presentations of quaternions, where SU(2) corresponds to unit quaternions (also known as versors or the group Sp(1)). Representation of quaternions as Euclidean rotations, namely v ↦ q−1vq for a quaternion q, is a well-known thing.

In theory of Lie groups, it is called “adjoint representation” and can be specified independently of quaternionic algebra (note that tangent space of SU(2) is real three-dimensional).

The topological fact about SO(3) that permits for SU(2) → SO(3) covering (i.e. a map that is locally a diffeomorphism) is that SO(3) is not simply connected.
 

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