Conservation of angular momentum and spin

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in relation to spin angular momentum and its effects on the rotation of a magnet when subjected to external magnetic fields. Participants explore theoretical implications and experimental setups, including the Einstein-de Haas effect.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that flipping the spin of electrons in a magnet should cause the object to spin in the opposite direction to conserve angular momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that the action of an external magnetic field aligns the magnetic moments of the magnet, and reversing the field would result in the magnet rotating, but questions if this aligns with the original intent of the first post.
  • A participant inquires whether an experiment has been conducted where a magnet is constrained to rotate along a specific axis and subjected to a strong external field to flip its poles.
  • There is a suggestion that aligning dipoles in a magnet and then flipping them could lead to observable effects, although uncertainty remains about whether such an experiment has been attempted.
  • One participant identifies the phenomenon related to the discussion as the Einstein-de Haas effect, indicating a search for specific terminology related to the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between spin angular momentum and bulk rotation, with some uncertainty about the specifics of experimental setups and whether certain experiments have been conducted. No consensus is reached on the feasibility or outcomes of the proposed experiments.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of angular momentum and spin, as well as the unresolved nature of whether specific experiments have been performed.

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My understanding is that spin angular momentum is just as real as bulk angular momentum. So, if we get the spin of some electrons in an object to flip, then the object should start spinning in the opposite direction to conserve angular momentum. Right?

If we mount a permanent magnet in an external magnetic field in such a way as to allow the magnet to rotate along the field direction, and allow the magnet to align with the external field, and let the magnet come to rest, then reverse the polarity of the external magnetic field. Then, the magnet should start turning, right?

Or, if we heat up the magnet past the Curie point, we should see some change in bulk rotation, right?
 
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Assuming individual electron spins are coupled to the bulk rotation of the whole magnet.
Certainly, to conserve angular momentum, flipping the spin of an electron does require something else to also flip.

In the experiment described, the action of the external field would be to align the magnetic moments of the susceptible components of the magnet. Having achieved that, releasing the magnet, then reversing the field, does, indeed, result in a rotation of the magnet. That's how you make a compass needle. But I don't think this is what you mean.

Do you have something specific in mind?
 
I mean, if we constrain the magnet to rotate only along the z axis. Then apply an external field strong enough to flip the poles of the magnet. Has this experiment been done already?
 
You mean if we get all the dipoles in the magnet aligned predominantly one way, and set the magnet to pivot only about that axis, then flip the dipoles?

I do not know if that has been attempted.
 
Ok, I found the answer. It's called the Einstein-de Haas effect.
What's with this Einstein guy. Frickin everywhere.
 
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Oh well done! I was trawling for just that myself.
The trick is figuring out the right search term.
 

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