Conservation of angular momentum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of conservation of angular momentum, particularly focusing on the relationship between moment of inertia and angular velocity. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical examples, and clarify conditions under which angular momentum is conserved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that angular momentum is the product of moment of inertia and angular velocity, suggesting that an increase in moment of inertia leads to a decrease in angular velocity, assuming conservation of angular momentum.
  • One participant provides an example of a neutron star collapse to illustrate the conservation of angular momentum in extreme conditions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that angular momentum is conserved only when there is no net external torque acting on the system.
  • It is noted that while moment of inertia plays a role similar to mass in linear motion, the relationship between moment of inertia and angular velocity is conditional on the system being analyzed.
  • A participant introduces a scenario involving skaters to highlight that different objects can have varying angular velocities despite differences in moment of inertia.
  • There is a discussion about the misconception that higher angular momentum implies a higher angular velocity, using examples of a top and the Earth to illustrate this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of angular momentum and its dependence on moment of inertia and angular velocity. However, there are competing views regarding the implications of these relationships, particularly in different contexts and systems, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific conditions, such as the absence of external torque, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in comparing angular momentum across different systems.

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Angular momentum is the product of its moment of inertia and its angular velocity. So can we infer that since angular momentum is conserved then if an object has more moment of inertia then it will have lesser angular velocity and vice versa? Since from common sense we can make out that moment of inertia is rotational resistance and if this resistance is more the angular velocity will be less.
 
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Yes, that's true. A very good example is the collapse to a neutron star. See e.g. here!
 
avito009 said:
Angular momentum is the product of its moment of inertia and its angular velocity. So can we infer that since angular momentum is conserved...

To be more precise: angular momentum is only conserved when there is no net external torque.
 
Conserved when the net torque on it is zero. You may see the inertial moment play the similar role in rotation as the mass does in the linear motion.
 
Perhaps this funny and simple problem can enliven the conversation :)

Sorry in advance if that is inappropriate

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avito009 said:
Angular momentum is the product of its moment of inertia and its angular velocity. So can we infer that since angular momentum is conserved then if an object has more moment of inertia then it will have lesser angular velocity and vice versa? Since from common sense we can make out that moment of inertia is rotational resistance and if this resistance is more the angular velocity will be less.
That is true if we are considering a particular object whose moment of inertia is changing over time (e.g. a skater pulling in her arms).

If we are considering two different objects then the principle does not hold. There is nothing that prevents one skater with a small moment of inertia from spinning slowly while another skater on the other end of the rink has a large moment of inertia and is spinning rapidly.
 
avito009 said:
Angular momentum is the product of its moment of inertia and its angular velocity. So can we infer that since angular momentum is conserved then if an object has more moment of inertia then it will have lesser angular velocity and vice versa? Since from common sense we can make out that moment of inertia is rotational resistance and if this resistance is more the angular velocity will be less.

and on another thread you wrote..

If a top has angular momentum of 12 units and the Earth has angular momentum of 100. Does this mean that Earth is spinning faster than the top since it has more angular momentum? The answer is there at the back of my head but can't articulate it.

Both are wrong.

Angular Momentum is conserved (in systems that don't have an external torque applied). That doesn't mean Angular Momentum is the same for all systems. A car tyre has a much lower moment of inertia than the planet Earth yet it's rate of spin (angular velocity) is much higher. Perhaps many revolutions per second compared to one revolution per day.

Moment of inertia is similar to mass...

Linear... Force = mass * linear acceleration
Rotation... Torque = Moment of inertia * angular acceleration
 

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