Conservation of energy problem: Two masses, a pulley and an incline

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two masses, M and m, connected by a wire over a fixed pulley, with M on an inclined plane. The goal is to demonstrate that M performs amplitude oscillations as it moves along the plane, with a specific formula provided for the oscillation amplitude. Participants explore how to calculate the height variation of mass m as M moves, emphasizing the relationship between the lengths of the wire and the angles involved. The oscillatory motion is attributed to the equilibrium position created by the system's configuration rather than any rotational movement of the inclined plane. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement
Two material points of masses M and m are joined together by means of a wire that passes in A through a fixed pulley. The mass m hangs vertically; the largest M rests on a smooth inclined plane that forms an [itex]\alpha[/itex] angle with the vertical. M starts its movement, sliding along the plane, without initial speed, starting from point B0 located on the vertical of A. Demonstrate that point M performs amplitude oscillations [itex] x = \overline {B_oB} = \frac {2m (M-m) h \cos \alpha} {m ^ 2-M ^ 2\cos ^ 2 \alpha} [/itex] where [itex]h = \overline {B_oA} [/itex] and fulfilling the condition [itex] M \cos \alpha < m < M [/itex]
Relevant Equations
Gravitational energy: [itex]mgh[/itex]
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If M moves ##x## along the plane, her height variation in ##x \cos(\alpha)##, and, but I don't know how to find the variation of the height of ##m##
 
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Tassandro said:
Homework Statement:: Two material points of masses M and m are joined together by means of a wire that passes in A through a fixed pulley. The mass m hangs vertically; the largest M rests on a smooth inclined plane that forms an alpha angle with the vertical. M starts its movement, sliding along the plane, without initial speed, starting from point B0 located on the vertical of A. Demonstrate that point M performs amplitude oscillations x = \overline {B_oB} = \frac {2m (M-m) h \cos \alpha} {m ^ 2-M ^ 2\cos ^ 2 \alpha} where h = \overline {B_oA} and fulfilling the condition M \cos \alpha &lt; m &lt; M
Relevant Equations:: Gravitational energy: mgh

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If M moves $$x$$ along the plane, her height varation in $$x\cosα[\MATH], and, but I dont't know how to find the variation of the height of $$m$$ :/$$
Hello @Tassandro .
:welcome:

Consider the change in the length of wire from the mass, M to the pulley, when x = 0, compared to its length for an arbitrary value of x.
 
Tassandro said:
Homework Statement:: Two material points of masses M and m are joined together by means of a wire that passes in A through a fixed pulley. The mass m hangs vertically; the largest M rests on a smooth inclined plane that forms an alpha angle with the vertical. M starts its movement, sliding along the plane, without initial speed, starting from point B0 located on the vertical of A. Demonstrate that point M performs amplitude oscillations x = \overline {B_oB} = \frac {2m (M-m) h \cos \alpha} {m ^ 2-M ^ 2\cos ^ 2 \alpha} where h = \overline {B_oA} and fulfilling the condition M \cos \alpha &lt; m &lt; M
Relevant Equations:: Gravitational energy: mgh

View attachment 265869View attachment 265869
If M moves $$x$$ along the plane, her height varation in $$x\cosα[\MATH], and, but I dont't know how to find the variation of the height of $$m$$ :/$$
Is that bottom plane free to rotate about point ##B_0## like a see-saw? Is that why you can get an oscillatory motion?
 
berkeman said:
Is that bottom plane free to rotate about point ##B_0## like a see-saw? Is that why you can get an oscillatory motion?
No, it's because there is an equilibrium position
given by ##Mg\cos(\alpha)=mg\cos(\alpha-\beta)##
, where beta is the angle of the string to the vertical.
 
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