Conservation of engery of a pulley system

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The discussion focuses on a pulley system involving two masses, m1 and m2, and the application of conservation of energy principles to determine their velocities and heights. It addresses how to prove that the final velocities of both masses are the same at the moment m1 hits the ground, emphasizing the connection through the massless string. The equations of kinetic and potential energy are utilized to analyze the system, leading to the conclusion that the isolated system model supports equal final velocities due to the constraints of the string. The calculated answers for the speed of m2 and the maximum height it reaches are provided as 4.43 m/s and 5 m, respectively. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of understanding energy conservation in connected systems.
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Homework Statement



Two objects, m1 = 4.50 kg and m2 = 3.00 kg, are connected by a light string passing over a light frictionless pulley as shown in the figure below. The object of mass 4.50 kg is released from rest, h = 3.00 m above the ground.

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(a) Using the isolated system model, determine the speed of the 3.00 kg object just as the 4.50 kg object hits the ground.
(ans: 4.43)

(b) Find the maximum height to which the 3.00 kg object rises.
(ans: 5)

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\Delta K = - \Delta Ug[/text]<br /> mgy - mgyf = - \Delta Ug[/text]&lt;br /&gt; KEi + PEi = KEf + PEf&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;h2&gt;The Attempt at a Solution&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I know I can solve problem a differently. Suppose I solve each mass separately using law of conservation of energy, I can find Vf for mass 2 separately.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Since the system is connected by the same uniform massless string, so the accerlation must the same. But I did not assume their Vf will be the same (the impact of m1 as it hits the ground, and at that instant the Vf of m2 raising to 4 meter).&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What I want to know is, how do you prove that the final velocity of m1 and m2 at that same instant is the same using the isolated system model KEf + PEf = KEi + PEi ?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I have the following data on my hands&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; for m2, where m= m2, h = 4&lt;br /&gt; _________________________&lt;br /&gt; | | KE | PE |&lt;br /&gt; | i | 0 | 0 |&lt;br /&gt; | f | 1/2mv^2 | m2h |for m1 where m = m1, h = 4&lt;br /&gt; | | KE | PE |&lt;br /&gt; | i | 1/2mv^2 | mgh |&lt;br /&gt; | f | 0 | 0 |
 
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Since the string is unstretchable, if m1 moves a small distance Δx in time Δt, m2 also moves the same distance in same time interval. So vf of m1 is the same as vf of m2.
 
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