Conservation of Momentum Question Involving Two-Dimensions

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The problem involves a grenade rolling due west that explodes into three equal mass pieces, with two pieces having specified velocities and directions. The task is to determine the velocity of the third piece using conservation of momentum principles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriateness of assigning mass values in the momentum calculations, questioning whether using 1 or 1/3 for the mass of the pieces is valid. There is also a focus on the implications of equal mass in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the mass assignment, suggesting that the specific mass value may not affect the outcome due to cancellation in the equations. Others raise concerns about the interpretation of "negligible" mass and its implications for the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the assumptions regarding mass and its relevance to the conservation of momentum in this scenario. The original poster's calculations are questioned, particularly regarding how mass should be treated in the context of equal mass fragments.

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Homework Statement


A grenade is rolling due west at 0.954m/s along a floor when it explodes into three pieces of equal mass. The first piece moves at 3.6m/s, 20° [N of W]. The second travels at 5.8m/s, 62° [S of W]. Calculate the velocity of the third piece.

Homework Equations


P=mv
PBefore=Pafter
a^2 + b^2= c^2
Tan^-1 to find angle

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt is in the attached image. I was curious if my masses were correct. Since they are all equal, I inputted 1 as my before component, and 1/3 for the 3 after components. Is this correct? And, are my calculations correct as well?[/B]
 

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Regarding the masses: You could simply assume that the grenade has a total mass ##m##, which will make the parts have mass ##m/3##. You will notice that ##m## cancels out of the final answer and thus that it does not matter what you chose for ##m##. In particular, ##m = 1\,\rm kg## should give the correct answer just as well as any other mass.
 
omgbeandip said:

Homework Statement


A grenade is rolling due west at 0.954m/s along a floor when it explodes into three pieces of equal mass. The first piece moves at 3.6m/s, 20° [N of W]. The second travels at 5.8m/s, 62° [S of W]. Calculate the velocity of the third piece.

Homework Equations


P=mv
PBefore=Pafter
a^2 + b^2= c^2
Tan^-1 to find angle

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt is in the attached image. I was curious if my masses were correct. Since they are all equal, I inputted 1 as my before component, and 1/3 for the 3 after components. Is this correct? And, are my calculations correct as well?[/B]
I don't think you should put the mass as 1/3 since that would create the assumption that the original mass is 1kg. Just look at the velocities. When they tell you that the masses are equal, it implies that the mass is negligible, so do the exact same calculations you have done already and simply remove the (1/3).
 
WhosUrDaddy said:
When they tell you that the masses are equal, it implies that the mass is negligible, so do the exact same calculations you have done already and simply remove the (1/3).
There is no implication of the sort. "Negligible" mathematically means "very small" (i.e. can be considered zero) by comparison with something else. There is no such comparison here as the three fragments have the same mass.
 

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