Constant Acceleration involving two identical objects

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving two identical cars moving towards each other with constant acceleration. The red car's velocities are given, and the task is to determine the initial velocity and acceleration of the green car based on their meeting points. The initial calculations led to confusion regarding the setup of simultaneous equations, with one participant expressing doubt about the calculated initial velocity of the green car. Another participant suggested simplifying the approach by focusing solely on the equations for the green car, which ultimately led to a correct solution. The conversation highlights the importance of clarity in problem-solving and the potential for overcomplicating equations.
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Homework Statement


a red car and a green car, identical except for the color, move toward each other in adjacent lanes and parallel to an x axis. At time t = 0, the red car is at xr = 0 and the green car is at xg = 250 m. If the red car has a constant velocity of 23.0 km/h, the cars pass each other at x = 46.5 m, and if it has a constant velocity of 41.0 km/h, they pass each other at x = 76.6 m. What are (a) the initial velocity (in km/h) and (b) the acceleration of the green car?

From this I gather the following:

R_x_0 = 0m iff t=0s
G_x_0 = 250m iff t=0s
R_x = G_x = 46.5m iff R_v = 23 \frac{km}{h} = 6.3889 \frac{m}{s}
R_x = G_x = 76.6m iff R_v = 41 \frac{km}{h} = 11.3889 \frac{m}{s}
R_a = 0 \frac{m}{s^2} since the velocity is constant
T=7.278260871s iff R_v = 6.3889 \frac{m}{s}
T=6.725853664s iff R_v = 11.3889 \frac{m}{s}

Homework Equations


Since the problem is dealing with constant acceleration, we choose the following formula:
x-x_0=v_0 t + \frac{1}{2} a t^2
and rewrite it such as x=v_0 t + \frac{1}{2} a t^2 + x_0

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I converted the velocities above to \frac{m}{s}, and obtained the time at both cross points (where R_x = G_x). I also realized that I need to setup both cars into simultaneous equations to solve for the missing variables (G_v_0 and G_a). So, I did the following:

R1: 46.5=(6.3889)(7.278260871) + \frac{1}{2} 0 (7.278026081)^2 + 0
R1: \Rightarrow 46.5=(6.3889)(7.278260871)

G1: 46.5=V_0(7.278026081)+\frac{1}{2}a(7.278026081)^2+250

E1: (6.3889)(7.278260871) =V_0(7.278026081)+\frac{1}{2}a(7.278026081)^2+250 since both equations are equal.

R2: 76.6=(11.3889)(6.725853664) + \frac{1}{2} 0 (6.725853664)^2 + 0
R2: \Rightarrow 76.6=(11.3889)(6.725853664)

G2: 76.6=V_0(6.725853664)+\frac{1}{2}a(6.725853664)^2+250

E2: (11.3889)(6.725853664)=V_0(6.725853664)+\frac{1}{2}a(6.725853664)^2+250 since both equations are equal.

Now, using both E1 and E2, I solve for a in E2, and then plug it into E1 to obtain V_0.

a = \frac{(11.3889)(6.725853664)-V_0(6.725853664)-250}{\frac{1}{2}(6.725853664)^2}

(6.3889)(7.278260871) =V_0(7.278026081)+\frac{1}{2}\left ( \frac{(11.3889)(6.725853664)-V_0(6.725853664)-250}{\frac{1}{2}(6.725853664)^2} \right )(7.278026081)^2+250

V_0=0.7698312727\frac{m}{s}

Now I stopped here because I find it very hard to believe that the car is traveling that slow, so I feel that I've set something up wrong. Have I? Or is that the actual initial velocity, and I'm over analyzing it?

Thanks!
 
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Looks like you're over-analyzing things a bit. Your R1/R2 and E1/E2 equations serve no purpose, as far as I can see. (You already found the times.)

The only equations you need to solve together are G1 and G2. Solving them I get a similar answer for V0 (not exactly the same, but close enough).
 
Doc Al said:
Looks like you're over-analyzing things a bit. Your R1/R2 and E1/E2 equations serve no purpose, as far as I can see. (You already found the times.)

The only equations you need to solve together are G1 and G2. Solving them I get a similar answer for V0 (not exactly the same, but close enough).

I went on ahead with what I had and got it wrong. But the second time around (it gives you new values), I concentrated on the green car, and only used the red car to get the time, and I got the correct answer.

Thanks for your help! :biggrin:
 
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