Constant Hubble parameter -> accelerating Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of assuming a constant Hubble parameter (H) for the expansion of the Universe. Participants explore the mathematical consequences of this assumption, its alignment with current observations, and its relation to models of cosmic expansion, particularly in the context of dark energy and the de Sitter universe.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if H is constant, the scale factor a(t) can be expressed as a(t) = exp(H t), leading to an accelerating universe with a deceleration parameter q of -1, which aligns with current observations.
  • Another participant counters that the Hubble parameter has historically not been considered constant, noting that it has been declining over time according to the Friedmann equation.
  • A participant mentions that while the Hubble radius is not equal to the size of the observable universe, the universe is approaching a "static" condition due to accelerated expansion, where the cosmic event horizon will stabilize at a fixed distance.
  • One participant identifies the model of an exponentially expanding universe with no matter as the de Sitter model, suggesting that the universe could asymptotically approach this condition as matter density decreases.
  • Another participant agrees that the equation a(t) = exp(H t) is a solution to the Friedmann equations under the assumption of a spatially flat universe and a specific equation of state for dark energy.
  • There is a reiteration that while the constant Hubble parameter model is not fully supported by current evidence, it may serve as a reasonable approximation for the future state of the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the constancy of the Hubble parameter and its implications. Some support the idea of a constant H leading to a de Sitter-like universe, while others emphasize the historical decline of H and its implications for cosmological models. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the current understanding of the universe's state, particularly regarding the evidence for a constant Hubble parameter and the assumptions underlying the models discussed.

johne1618
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Hi,

Let us assume that Hubble's Constant H is really constant. Therefore:

a' / a = H

where a is the scale factor.

The solution to this equation is:

a(t) = exp(H t)

This equation describes an accelerating universe with deceleration parameter q given by:

q = - a'' a / a'^2 = -1

This value of q is in agreement with current observations.

By the way, a constant value of H implies the Hubble radius which is a measure of the size of the observable Universe, R = c / H, is constant. If the above equation is true then in some sense the Universe is now static.
 
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According to the usual picture, the Hubble parameter is not constant in time. As far as I know it has never, in the history of modern cosmology, been considered to remain constant over time.
In standard expansion cosmology the change in H(t) is governed by the Friedmann equation. This is the basic eqn that all cosmo'ists use.

In the early universe the H was thousands of times larger than it is at this moment.

H has been declining for a long time and is still declining. But more and more slowly. Look at the Friedmann eqn to understand why. You can google it.

johne1618 said:
Hi,

Let us assume that Hubble's Constant H is really constant. Therefore:

a' / a = H

where a is the scale factor.

The solution to this equation is:

a(t) = exp(H t)

This equation describes an accelerating universe with deceleration parameter q given by:

q = - a'' a / a'^2 = -1

This value of q is in agreement with current observations.

By the way, a constant value of H implies the Hubble radius which is a measure of the size of the observable Universe, R = c / H, is constant. If the above equation is true then in some sense the Universe is now static.

The Hubble radius is not equal to the size of the observable universe. Most of the galaxies we currently observe are more distant than that. There are various horizon distances.

But there is a grain of truth in what you say! Because of it's accelerated expansion, the U is in fact approaching a kind of "static" condition in which there will be a fixed radius to what we can observe. The cosmic event horizon will be stuck at a fixed distance. Because beyond that things will be receding too rapidly.

The simple model of exponentially expanding universe with no matter in it is the "de Sitter".
It has a fixed cosmic event horizon. So the observable region has a fixed size. We are gradually approaching that de Sitter picture because matter is thinining out. It is still some 27%. When the U has expanded a lot more, and matter is down near 0%, then we will be effectively de Sitter. Then what you say will actually be about right!
And then the Hubble parameter will be approximately constant.
And then the scale factor (distances) will be growing nearly exponentially.
And then the radius of the observable will be approximately constant.

Larry Krauss has an article on the arxiv describing what it will be like (billions of years from now) called "The Return of the Static Universe".

You might like the article. I'll get a link.
http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.0221

Fun article! Written for wide audience. Won a prize in an essay contest in 2007, as I recall. Like the world you describe, with constant Hubble parameter, but billion years in future, and described in much more detail.
 
Hi,

I think the equation

a(t) = exp(H t)

where H is constant

is a solution to the Friedmann equations provided that one assumes that the Universe is spatially flat and that the equation of state is:

p = - rho c^2

which is the equation of state of dark energy.

John
 
I think you are right!
That is the de Sitter I was talking about. No matter (we have 27%) and only "drk energy" another name for cosmo constant if you assume that -1.

There is no evidence that we have that NOW. But our real universe can asympt.ly approach that condition over next few billions years, due to thinning. I'm jst repeating what I said earlier.
 
marcus said:
There is no evidence that we have that NOW. But our real universe can asympt.ly approach that condition over next few billions years, due to thinning. I'm jst repeating what I said earlier.

It's not a totally unreasonable model of the present-day universe. If you have to model the present universe using only a single component with a single equation of state, then a cosmological constant is the best approximation. But if you're an observational cosmologist, you're spending a lot of time looking at data from the earlier universe, in which this was not as good an approximation.
 

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