Constructing S^3 from a S^2 and a bunch of S^1's?

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In summary, the conversation discusses whether an infinite number of circles of radius one in R^4 can be arranged to form the three-sphere S^3, with each circle intersecting the 2-sphere at one point. It also touches on the concept of the Hopf fibration and how the circles are linked in this construction. The circles are "flat" and have the same radius of 1, and they are also great circles of the 3-sphere. The Hopf fibration is a map from S^3 to S^2, with the fiber over a point being a set of complex numbers with |z|=1.
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Suppose I sit in R^4 with a single 2-sphere, x^2+y^2+z^2=1, and an infinite number of circles of radius one that are free to move in R^4. Is it true that one can arrange these infinite number of circles so that their union is the three-sphere S^3, defined by x^2+y^2+z^2+w^2=1 and each circle is disjoint from all other circles but intersects the 2-sphere at one point? Is this a Hopf fibration?

Thanks for any help!
 
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If every circle is disjoint from every other circle, then it is not the Hopf fibration .
 
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WWGD said:
If every circle is disjoint from every other circle, then it is not the Hopf fibration .

If not disjoint, how many points does each pair of circles share?

Thanks!
 
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The linking number for the Hopf fibration is 1, it is the Hopf invariant of the Hopf fibration. Notice that 1+2 (coming from S^1 and S^2 respectfully) =3, which makes it harder for the subspaces(submanifolds) to miss each other, e.g., a plane and a line in #\mathbb R^3# (actually, if you have codimensions n,m in an ambient k-manifold, with n+m<k, then the submanifolds ca be homotoped to miss each other. ) , and that the linking number is a homotopy invariant. I think if the map were null-homotopic, the linking number would be 0. This shows that #\pi_3(S^2)# is non-trivial
 
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The circles are disjoint. This is a separate issue from their linking number.
 
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My bad, if the circles overlapped, they would project down to a common point. I wasn't connecting it to the linking point, I was just mistaken.
 
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Still, Spinnor, I am not sure I understand: the Hopf fibration goes from [itex] S^3 \rightarrow S^2 [/itex] with fiber [itex] S^1 [/itex] over every point in [itex] S^2 [/itex] , so what do you mean by the intersection of the circles with the 2-sphere? The circles, as fibers, live in the 3-sphere. I assume, [itex] S^2 [\itex] is embedded in the 3-sphere, but how so? If this were a vector bundle, then there is a natural version of a 0-section, where you embed the base in the top space, but this is not a vector bundle, so you need to determine how the 2-sphere is embedded in the 3-sphere to be able to determine the intersection. Maybe as a big-circle-type embedding?
 
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Sorry for the response delay.

Using the simple objects, a two-sphere, circles, and the four dimensional Euclidian space, R^4, I wondered if I could construct a three-sphere without having to pass the circles through each other or the two-sphere. So it looks like the circles are linked but moving them around in R^4 they can be linked? The extra freedom of R^4 allows us to do this without the circles passing through each other? The other question is are the circles "flat" and of the same radius?

Thanks for the help!
 
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The circles are "flat", yes, and they all have radius 1. In fact, they are each great circles of the 3-sphere.
 
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Ben Niehoff said:
The circles are "flat", yes, and they all have radius 1. In fact, they are each great circles of the 3-sphere.

That is cool! Thank you!
 
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Ben Niehoff said:
The circles are "flat", yes, and they all have radius 1. In fact, they are each great circles of the 3-sphere.
Do you mean the circles are planar, unknotted and (if planar, so that we can set up a 'standard' xy-coordinate system), are translates of {(x,y): x^2+y^2=1?
 
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Ah, never mind, for some reason I cannot delete my previous post.
 
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Spinnor said:
Sorry for the response delay.

Using the simple objects, a two-sphere, circles, and the four dimensional Euclidian space, R^4, I wondered if I could construct a three-sphere without having to pass the circles through each other or the two-sphere. So it looks like the circles are linked but moving them around in R^4 they can be linked? The extra freedom of R^4 allows us to do this without the circles passing through each other? The other question is are the circles "flat" and of the same radius?
Thanks for the help!
And let me continue showing off the two things I know:

To add to Ben's answer, if you see the Wikipedia page, they give you the explicit map for the Hopf fibration and they show you that the fiber over a point is a set of complex numbers with |z|=1 ; this is a "flat circle", or what I think is called a geometric (planar, unknoted) circle, and this holds because i) S^2 is homeomorphic to complex projective 1-space, and 2) multiplication by a complex number of modulus 1 is equivalent to rotation by the argument of the number. And remember that the circles live ,in a sense, in R^4 , but they are also in S^3, which constrains the "unlinking". If the circle fibers in the Hopf fibration could be unlinked (without changing the homotopy class of the fibration), then ## \pi_3(S^2) = \mathbb Z ## would be trivial (it has a single generator). I wish I had a better answer than that. Maybe if I knew 3 things...
 
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Spinnor said:
Suppose I sit in R^4 with a single 2-sphere, x^2+y^2+z^2=1, and an infinite number of circles of radius one that are free to move in R^4. Is it true that one can arrange these infinite number of circles so that their union is the three-sphere S^3, defined by x^2+y^2+z^2+w^2=1 and each circle is disjoint from all other circles but intersects the 2-sphere at one point? Is this a Hopf fibration?

Thanks for any help!
Your idea is not correct, but it does suggest a way to think of the Hopf fibration.

For this, It will be easier to think of R^4 as C^2, the space of all pairs of complex numbers. These are all points
$$(re^{iθ},se^{iα})$$
In this notation, the unit 3 sphere is all points with r^2 + s^2 =1
If you take the 2 sphere to be the points on the 3 sphere with w coordinate equal to zero then in this notation it is the points on the 3 sphere where α is a multiple of π. That is: the imaginary part of the second complex coordinate is zero.

The circles in the Hopf fibration are the orbits of points under multiplication by the complex numbers of norm 1. So the circle passing through the point ,
$$(re^{ix},se^{iy})$$
on the 3 sphere, is all points $$(re^{ix+θ},se^{iy+θ})$$ where θ varies from 0 to 2π.

Here are some things to check.
- If s ≠ 0 then a circle has exactly two points with real second coordinate and thus intersects the 2 sphere in exactly 2 points. These two points are opposite poles on the two sphere.
- If s = 0, the the circle lies entirely on the 2 sphere and is, in fact, a great circle.
- Every circle intersects this 2 sphere. There are no circles that are disjoint from it.

To summarize: each circle in the Hopf fibration intersects the two sphere in opposite poles except for one circle that lies entirely on the 2 sphere and it is a great circle.

With any fibration, E -> B, the base space ,B, is the quotient space of E obtained by identifying each fiber to a single point. For the Hopf fibration, one identifies each circle to a single point. The quotient space,B, is a topological 2 sphere.

Since every circle has non-empty intersection with the 2 sphere, the quotient space is also equal to the projection of the 2 sphere onto the base B. This projection identifies the opposite poles - since they lie on the same circle - and then crushes the remaining great circle to a single point. So the base,B is a 2 sphere with the opposite poles in the northern and southern hemispheres glued together and the equator crushed to a point.
This is again a 2 sphere. Opposite hemispheres are pasted together to get a single half sphere and then its bounding circle is identified to a point to again get a 2 sphere.BTW:

- One can also see the linking of the fiber circles from this picture. Each circle that intersects the 2 sphere in two opposite poles is linked to the equator. The linking number is one because it passes through each hemisphere exactly once.

There is nothing special about this particular equator. Given any two great circles on the 3 sphere one of them can be considered as the equator of an embedded 2 sphere.

- Since the Hopf fibration describes the 3 sphere as the total space of a circle bundle over the 2 sphere, one can ask what it looks like over the northern and southern hemispheres. and over the equator. Over each of these three pieces of the 2 sphere, the bundle is trivial. Over the equator it is therefore the Cartesian product of two circles, that is, it is a torus. Over the two hemispheres, it is the Cartesian product of a half sphere with a circle and this is a solid torus. One can see this by observing that a half sphere is really a disk (just flatten it out) and then one has a disk of circles. If you cut a solid torus transversally, the slice is a disk and a circle perpendicular to it passes through each of its points. So a solid torus is a disk of circles.

So one has two solid tori, one above each hemisphere and they are glued together along their boundaries, the torus above the equator. So the Hopf fibration reveals that the 3 sphere is two solid tori glued together along their boundaries.

One may ask, what are all of the possible manifolds that can be obtained from gluing two solid tori along their boundaries. There certainly are others, for instance the tangent circle bundle to the 2 sphere. I am not sure of the answer.
 
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1. What is S^3?

S^3 is a 3-dimensional space known as a 3-sphere or a hypersphere. It is a generalization of a circle (S^1) and a sphere (S^2) to three dimensions.

2. How is S^3 constructed from a S^2 and a bunch of S^1's?

S^3 can be constructed by taking a S^2 and attaching a bunch of S^1's to it. This process is known as gluing or identifying points on the different surfaces. The resulting space is a 3-sphere, with each S^1 representing a different layer or shell.

3. What is the purpose of constructing S^3 from a S^2 and a bunch of S^1's?

This construction is important in topology, a branch of mathematics that studies the properties of spaces that are preserved under continuous deformations. It helps to understand the topological properties of 3-spheres and their relationship to other spaces.

4. Can S^3 be constructed in other ways?

Yes, there are other ways to construct S^3, such as using quaternions or coordinate systems. However, the construction from a S^2 and a bunch of S^1's is a commonly used and intuitive method.

5. What are some real-world applications of constructing S^3 from a S^2 and a bunch of S^1's?

The construction of S^3 has applications in fields such as physics, computer science, and biology. It has been used to model the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics, to create 3D graphics in computer graphics, and to study the structure of protein molecules in biology.

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