Continuity and periodic functions

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of a piecewise continuous and T-periodic function F defined by an integral of another function f. The original poster attempts to show that F is differentiable at a point a if f is continuous at that point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the continuity of F and the implications of f being T-periodic. They explore the limit of the difference quotient and question whether the periodicity of f affects the differentiability of F. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of piecewise constant functions and the necessity of certain steps in the derivation.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the periodicity of f and its implications for the limit being zero. Multiple interpretations of the definitions and properties of the functions involved are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the implications of continuity and periodicity in the context of differentiability, with some expressing uncertainty about the definitions of piecewise constant functions and the necessity of certain steps in their reasoning.

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We have a piecewise continuous function and T-periodic function f and we have that:
[tex] F(a) = \int_a^{a + T} {f(x)dx} [/tex]

I have to show that F is diferentiable at a if f is continuous at a.

My attempt so far:

I have showed that F is continuous for all a. If we look at one piece where f is continuous for a, we have that if F'(a) = f(a):

[tex] \frac{1}{h}\int_a^{a + h} {f(x)dx = \frac{{\int_x^{a + h} {f(x)dx - } \int_x^a {f(x)dx} }}{h}} [/tex]

When h -> 0, then the above goes to f(a) - this is just the Fundemental Theorem of Calculus.

Now I have that:

[tex] \frac{{F(a + h) - F(a)}}{h} = \frac{{\int_{a + h}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + T} {f(x)dx} }}{h} = \frac{{\int_{a + T}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + h} {f(x)dx} }}{h}[/tex]

But where to go from here?
 
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Niles said:
[tex]\dots = \frac{{\int_{a + T}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + h} {f(x)dx} }}{h}[/tex]

But where to go from here?

Hi Niles! :smile:

Hint: f is T-periodic. :wink:

(hmm … doesn't this work even if f is not continuous? :confused:)
 
Then it goes to zero as h -> 0. The limit exists, and hence F is differnetiable at all points a, where f is diff. - correct? :smile:

Also, does this mean that F'(a) = 0?
 
Niles said:
Then it goes to zero as h -> 0.

Actually, it's 0 anyway, isn't it?

That was what was puzzling me. :confused:
The limit exists, and hence F is differnetiable at all points a, where f is diff. - correct? :smile:

Also, does this mean that F'(a) = 0?

Yup! :biggrin:

though the actual value was obvious from the definition, wasn't it? :wink:
 
Great - I have two final (easy!) questions.

1) I have to conclude that F is piece-wise constant.

2) I have to show that F is constant

My answers:

1) Ok, it's kinda obvious that F must be constant. But I can't find the argument for F being piecewise constant, because I have shown that F is continuous for all a in a previous question. Just because f is P.C., then it doesn't mean that F is it also.

2) If F is constant (and periodic and piecewise continous), then it must be constant for all a, since it is bounded. This question was easy - #1 is annoying me
 
Niles said:
2) I have to show that F is constant

Isn't that obvious from the previous formula for F(a + h) - F(a)? :smile:

Or am I missing something? :confused:
 
Question nr. 2 was the easy one. Question nr. 1 was what I couldn't do :smile:
 
Niles said:
Question nr. 2 was the easy one. Question nr. 1 was what I couldn't do :smile:

Doesn't piecewise constant just mean a multi-step step-function?

So any constant function is piecewise constant? :confused:
 
Hmm, I guess you are right.

I have one final question, then I'll let you off the hook (I made a joke :smile:).

In my first post, in the last expression, I changed the limits of integration - here it is:

[tex] <br /> \frac{{F(a + h) - F(a)}}{h} = \frac{{\int_{a + h}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + T} {f(x)dx} }}{h} = \frac{{\int_{a + T}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + h} {f(x)dx} }}{h}<br /> [/tex]

Is the last step even necessary?
 
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Niles said:
In my first post, in the last expression, I changed the limits of integration - here it is:

[tex] <br /> \frac{{F(a + h) - F(a)}}{h} = \frac{{\int_{a + h}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + T} {f(x)dx} }}{h} = \frac{{\int_{a + T}^{a + h + T} {f(x)dx - } \int_a^{a + h} {f(x)dx} }}{h}<br /> [/tex]

Is the last step even necessary?

Hi Niles! :smile:

Yes, I think it is …

it's only the periodicity of f that makes it zero …

and the periodicity doesn't obviously apply until the last step. :wink:
 
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Hmm, I can't quite see that. Do you mean that:

[tex] \int_{a + T}^{a + h + T} {f(x) = \int_a^{a + h} {f(x)} } ?[/tex]
 
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Niles said:
Hmm, I can't quite see that. Do you mean that:

[tex] \int_{a + T}^{a + h + T} {f(x) = \int_a^{a + h} {f(x)} } ?[/tex]

Yes, because the substitution y = x + T makes it

[tex]\int_a^{a + h} f(y)\,dy\ =\ \int_a^{a + h} f(x)\,dx[/tex] :smile:
 
  • #13
Great, thanks!

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