Control torque of 3 phase motor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around controlling the torque of three-phase motors in an industrial setting, particularly in relation to managing electricity costs associated with reactive power and power factor penalties. Participants explore various devices and strategies, including power factor correction and motor soft starters, while considering the implications of their use.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about devices to control torque and mentions the potential use of capacitors on motors or transformers to reduce electricity costs.
  • Another participant clarifies that the issue is likely related to reactive power and poor power factor rather than torque, suggesting that oversized motors contribute to this problem.
  • It is proposed that adding capacitors could help if the load is consistent, but this should be an engineered solution, possibly involving automatic capacitor banks or variable speed drives.
  • A participant shares local market insights about power factor correction devices and mentions that some have installed these systems with transformers to accommodate motor loads.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential negative effects of constant capacitor use on motor performance, particularly during startup.
  • Clarification is made that motor soft starters are distinct from power factor correction devices, with a suggestion that the linked resource pertains to motor drives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to managing power factor and torque control, with no consensus on a single solution. Some advocate for power factor correction, while others emphasize the need for careful engineering and consideration of motor characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of solutions may depend on specific load conditions, the size of motors, and the overall system design. There are unresolved considerations regarding the implementation and potential drawbacks of suggested devices.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals involved in industrial motor management, electrical engineering, or those seeking to reduce energy costs associated with motor operation.

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Dear all,

This is a newbie asking for some information.

Actually, we have 1x30HP, 2x10HP motors working at our workplace. When we start the motors there is a lot of torque generated due to which our grid supply charges us penalty every month.

We need information about the device(s) that are used to control the torque.

While doing some research, I got to know that I can get myself set up control panel that has capacitors either separately on each motor or on my 100kva transformer. This will control the torque as well as give me saving on electricity bill.

Kindly help in this regards.
 
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Hello ine...Welcome

Not really torque- that is the physical output of the motor you are probably being charged for reactive power - KVAR or poor Power Factor (PF) on your bill. A common issues with these motors is they are oversized and this leads to the poor PF or too much Reactive Power.

If the load on the motors is very consistent, then you can add capacitors, but this should be an engineered solution. It is also possible to get an automatic capacitor bank that adjusts - more engineering and $.

Another solution would be to add variable speed drives - these will run the motors at the proper point to match the physical load - the advantage of this is they react to variable load very well, but also need to be engineered and can be expensive (10HP drive ~ $ 2500-3500 - plus install and set up) , but typically these will save energy and pay for themselves in a few years, especially if the physical load is much less than the rating of the motor.

If you do not know of a good technical resource to help and advise - I would contact your utility to make a recommendation, they should make a site visit, prepare a basic sketch and discuss the possibilities - most utilities here in the US provide this service - since they are not selling the equipment, they SHOULD give you a fair assessment.
 
Thanks a lot for the reply.

I have researched about this in the local market and got to know that people have installed a device called Power Factor(A panel board which has capacitors). Good quality capacitors are from Hyundai or LG i heard.

Many people have installed them with their transformers rather than on individual motor. For e.g you have 100 kva transformer, but people have installed Power Factors which can handle load of 200kva to carter any torque from motors etc.
The power factor actually handles all the load of the workplace and includes all motors working.

Other than that I have got information on Motor Soft Starters such as the one in the link below:-
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives
 
I believe the device would be a Power Factor Corrector - since Power Factor is the condition, not a device. If the added capacitors are on all of the time, and the motors are not, this can be detrimental to the motors when they start and other factors. -- while this may be a good solution, not something I would just throw on the system as a remedy.

Also - a Motor Soft Stater, is a different device, but your link is for motor drives, so that does seem to be what I was suggesting. - again not a project for a novice.
 

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