Convergence of a geometric series

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a geometric series, specifically examining two expressions related to sums involving parameters $\beta$ and $h$. Participants explore the derivation of these expressions and seek clarification on the conditions under which they hold, as well as the implications of letting $k$ approach infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the convergence of the series and the conditions under which the provided equations hold.
  • Another participant points out a formatting issue in the equations and asks for clarification on the condition for $\beta$.
  • A participant suggests that they may have made an error in their initial understanding and proposes that $k$ should approach infinity for further analysis.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of how to derive the corrected formula using synthetic division and telescoping sums, while also noting a correction in the expressions used.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of a previous comment regarding $\beta$ going to infinity.
  • A participant acknowledges the usefulness of the explanations provided, indicating they were able to answer their question independently but appreciated the assistance.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the series convergence. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the conditions and methods for proving convergence, and some confusion remains about the implications of the parameters involved.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the parameters $\beta$ and $h$, as well as the conditions under which the series converges. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in mathematical notation and conditions.

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Hi everyone,

I am generally familiar with convergent series. However, in one economics paper (Becker&Tomes 1979), I found the following that confuses me:$$\sum_{j=0}^{k} \beta^{j} h^{k-j} = \beta^{k}(k+1)\quad \text{if} \quad\beta =h$$

however,

$$\sum_{j=0}^{k} \beta^{j} j^{k-j} = \frac{\beta^{k+1}-h^{k+1}}{\beta-h}\text{if} \quad\beta \ne h$$In short, I do not understand how they derived at these convergences. Who has any idea that are they referring to? The text itself does not provide more information. And despite having consulted those maths references I can access, I could not find an answer.

Thank you very much for any hint.

Man

PS
I hope the formulae are depicted properly
 
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Hi Manfred1999,

I corrected the formatting of the equations you presented, and I hope what you see is what you intended to write. But, in the first equation, you did not complete the condition on $\beta$; $\beta$ equals what exactly?
 
Hi Euge,

Thanks so much for doing this. Much appreciated. I think now I know what I did do wrong. I forgot the $ signs. Also, I did not notice that the conditions where not depicted properly. I hope it is clear now. Do you have any idea how do prove the convergence of the series in both cases? Maybe I should that k goes to \infty!
Man
Euge said:
Hi Manfred1999,

I corrected the formatting of the equations you presented, and I hope what you see is what you intended to write. But, in the first equation, you did not complete the condition on $\beta$; $\beta$ equals what exactly?
 
I am an idiot! I just solved the case case. The one where beta goes to infinity! I am an idiot. I am happy to jot down my steps if that helps!

Manfred1999 said:
Hi Euge,

Thanks so much for doing this. Much appreciated. I think now I know what I did do wrong. I forgot the $ signs. Also, I did not notice that the conditions where not depicted properly. I hope it is clear now. Do you have any idea how do prove the convergence of the series in both cases? Maybe I should that k goes to \infty!
Man
 
Manfred1999 said:
$$\sum_{j=0}^{k} \beta^{j} j^{k-j} = \frac{\beta^{k+1}-h^{k+1}}{\beta-h}\quad\text{if} \quad\beta \ne h$$

The expressions $j^{k-j}$ should be $h^{k-j}$. To prove the corrected formula, perform synthetic division. Alternatively, multiply the sum $\sum\limits_{j = 0}^n \beta^j h^{k-j}$ by $\beta - h$; this gives

$$(\beta - h)\sum_{j = 0}^k \beta^j h^{k-j} = \sum_{j = 0}^k (\beta - h)\beta^j h^{k-j} = \sum_{j = 0}^k [\beta^{j+1}h^{k-j} - \beta^j h^{k-(j-1)}] = \sum_{j = 0}^k (x_{j+1} - x_j),$$

where $x_j = \beta^{j}h^{k-(j-1)}$. The sum you see at end is known as a telescoping sum. When you expand the sum, the only term that "survive" are $x_{n+1}$ and $x_0$, because all other terms cancel. So we'll have

$$\sum_{j = 0}^k (x_{j+1} - x_j) = x_{k+1} - x_0 = \beta^{k+1} - h^{k+1}.$$

Finally, since $\beta \neq h$ (so $\beta - h \neq 0$), we conclude

$$\sum_{j = 0}^k \beta^k h^{j-k} = \frac{\beta^{k+1} - h^{k+1}}{\beta - h}.$$
 
Manfred1999 said:
The one where beta goes to infinity!

What do you mean by this?
 
Dear Euge,

Thank you very much for your very detailed answer. I eventually could answer the question myself. However, your explanations were still really useful. Much appreciated.

Manfred
Euge said:
The expressions $j^{k-j}$ should be $h^{k-j}$. To prove the corrected formula, perform synthetic division. Alternatively, multiply the sum $\sum\limits_{j = 0}^n \beta^j h^{k-j}$ by $\beta - h$; this gives

$$(\beta - h)\sum_{j = 0}^k \beta^j h^{k-j} = \sum_{j = 0}^k (\beta - h)\beta^j h^{k-j} = \sum_{j = 0}^k [\beta^{j+1}h^{k-j} - \beta^j h^{k-(j-1)}] = \sum_{j = 0}^k (x_{j+1} - x_j),$$

where $x_j = \beta^{j}h^{k-(j-1)}$. The sum you see at end is known as a telescoping sum. When you expand the sum, the only term that "survive" are $x_{n+1}$ and $x_0$, because all other terms cancel. So we'll have

$$\sum_{j = 0}^k (x_{j+1} - x_j) = x_{k+1} - x_0 = \beta^{k+1} - h^{k+1}.$$

Finally, since $\beta \neq h$ (so $\beta - h \neq 0$), we conclude

$$\sum_{j = 0}^k \beta^k h^{j-k} = \frac{\beta^{k+1} - h^{k+1}}{\beta - h}.$$
 

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