Correct way to calculate energy in Bohr Atom Model

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The discussion revolves around the correct method for calculating energy in the Bohr atom model, particularly focusing on the integration of forces and the treatment of potential energy. Participants explore the implications of applying Newtonian mechanics to the orbiting electron and the resulting mathematical expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a problem encountered while deriving formulas from the Bohr model, specifically regarding the integration of Coulomb's force and the resulting energy calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship between force and potential energy is defined as F = -dV/dr, indicating a possible error in the integration process.
  • A different participant questions whether charges should be entered as normal values rather than absolute values, which could affect the sign of the energy calculation.
  • Another contribution emphasizes the need to check the definition of potential energy in the context of the integration of the Coulomb force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of charges in energy calculations and the correct application of definitions related to potential energy. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the correct approach.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the treatment of forces and charges, as well as the definitions used in the context of potential energy. These aspects are not fully clarified or agreed upon in the discussion.

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I was deriving Bohr model formulas and I stumbled upon a problem.

When I use the postulate that says that you can apply Newtonian Mechanics to orbiting electron, I wrote the Coulomb's force as following:


Fc=(-e)*Z*e/(4pi(epsilon0)*r^2)


Minus from the electron means that the force will be attractive. But when I integrated it to get the energy I got a minus from integration. Now if I put in the charges in, I got that minus like from coulombs force and those 2 cancel out, leaving me with positive energy.


I escaped from this by using potential energy as positive and substituting charges like I did in Coulomb's Force, but this is workaround and its not mathematically correct.

I attached a relevant image.

What is full correct way to do this?
 

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Since the F = -dV/dr, that would make dV = -F dr. I think you used a plus.
 
Thats by definition? So, I put full charge values into energy too, not by absolute value?
 
E_potential = - int Fc dr

please check the definition of potential energy
 
Again, I do enter charges by normal value, not absolute value, that would get rid of minus from the electric charge of electron (-e)?
 

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