Correcting Misconceptions about the Frequency of RF Pulses in MRI

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The discussion revolves around the frequency of RF pulses in MRI, specifically addressing misconceptions about the relationship between the RF pulse frequency and the precession frequency of protons in a magnetic field. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to MRI physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the magnetic moment of protons precesses at a frequency ω0=γB0 and questions how an RF pulse can effectively move the magnetization vector into the transverse plane when the RF field strength B1 is much less than B0.
  • Another participant proposes that a small disturbance at the resonant frequency will accumulate energy over cycles, suggesting that the resonant system can store energy from the RF field.
  • A later reply clarifies that there are two important motions: precession driven by B0, typically in the 100 MHz range, and nutation driven by B1, typically in the 100 Hz range, highlighting the difference in field strengths.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the difference between the frequency of the RF pulse and the Larmor frequency, indicating that they had confused the two but have since resolved their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between RF pulse frequency and Larmor frequency, with some clarifying the distinction while others initially conflate the two. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the dynamics of RF pulses in MRI, particularly regarding the assumptions about frequency relationships and the effects of different magnetic field strengths.

BobP
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The magnetic moment of protons precesses at a frequency ω0=γB0 about the static magnetic field.

In order to move the magnetisation vector into the transverse plane the RF pulse must be applied at a frequency
ω0. However, as B1 (the field strength of the RF pulse) is << B1 how is this possible (as ω0=γB0 >> ω1=γB1)

Does this makes sense. Please can someone explain where I am going wrong
Thanks
 
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I presume that, as with any resonant system, a small disturbance at the resonant frequency will add a little energy each cycle until the cumulative effect is large. The resonant system will store energy from the RF field over many cycles.
 
BobP said:
The magnetic moment of protons precesses at a frequency ω0=γB0 about the static magnetic field.

In order to move the magnetisation vector into the transverse plane the RF pulse must be applied at a frequency
ω0. However, as B1 (the field strength of the RF pulse) is << B1 how is this possible (as ω0=γB0 >> ω1=γB1)

Does this makes sense. Please can someone explain where I am going wrong
Thanks
I am not sure what you are asking. There are two motions that are important here. One is the precession, that is driven by B0 and so by the Larmor equation it is typically in the 100 MHz range. The other is nutation, that is driven by B1 and is typically in the 100 Hz range. This corresponds to the fact that the B0 field is in the Tesla range while the B1 field is in the micro Tesla range.
 
Dale said:
I am not sure what you are asking. There are two motions that are important here. One is the precession, that is driven by B0 and so by the Larmor equation it is typically in the 100 MHz range. The other is nutation, that is driven by B1 and is typically in the 100 Hz range. This corresponds to the fact that the B0 field is in the Tesla range while the B1 field is in the micro Tesla range.
My question was based on a misunderstanding of the difference between frequency of the RF pulse and Larmor frequency.
I foolishky assumed they were the same which is why I was confused. However problem is now fixed :)

Thanks for your help though :)
 

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