Correcting Voltage Drop by Adding Resistor L Pad

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of powering an LED from a high impedance source of 800 Kilo Ohms, specifically addressing the observed voltage drop when the LED is connected. Participants explore the implications of impedance mismatching and propose solutions, including the use of a resistor L pad to mitigate voltage drop.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the LED has a resistance of 9.5 to 10 Ohms and attributes the voltage drop to impedance mismatching between the high impedance source and the low impedance load.
  • Another participant argues that a diode, including an LED, does not have a fixed resistance and does not follow Ohm's Law, emphasizing the need for a specified emf to determine current flow.
  • A third participant provides a typical LED circuit setup and calculates the necessary resistance to achieve a specific current, suggesting that the original configuration would not light the LED due to insufficient current.
  • There is a proposal to use a transistor to control the LED, which could potentially allow for sufficient current to light a high-efficiency LED, given the constraints of the high impedance source.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of voltage measurements due to the high Thevenin resistance of the source, which may affect the readings of typical measuring devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the LED's behavior and the effectiveness of the proposed solutions. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the voltage drop issue, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specifying the emf of the source and the potential limitations of measurement tools in accurately assessing the circuit's behavior.

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I have a source of 800 Kilo Ohms and I want to power an LED with that source. Which I would presume the LED would have a resistance of 9.5 to 10 Ohms if I'm correct. When I connect the LED to the source the voltage drops from 12 volts DC to around 1 volts DC. If my thinking is correct the reason this is happening is because of the impedance mismatching in which a high impedance source is driving a low impedance load and the voltage drops to a much lower value.

To correct this I want to put a resistor L pad between the source and load to hopefully minimize the voltage drop. The value of resistor I calculated being would be 800 Kilo Ohms resistor in series with the source and a 10 ohms resistor in parallel with the load.

Is this correct? And if not where am I wrong.
 
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You can't say that a diode has fixed "resistance" because it doesn't follow Ohm's Law. The voltage/current relationship is very non-linear. With an LED, you would normally assume that it has a more or less constant voltage across it and you would pass a current through it which would be defined, usually, by a supply voltage in series with a resistance.

Your "800kΩ" source needs to have an emf (voltage) specified before you can say what current will pass through the diode.
Tell us the specific context of this with a circuit diagram, if possible, and we can probably help you.
As it stands, your question can't be answered except to say that a 12V source with 800kΩ in series will only pass 12/800e3 Amps, or 15microamps. That will not light an LED!
 
This is how you normally set up a LED to work from a battery:

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/LED%20circuit.PNG

You can see that the value of R is not given, but you can calculate it.

It has 10 volts across it and it has 20 mA flowing in it.
So, its resistance must be 10 volts / 0.020 Amps or 500 ohms.

If you really have to light a LED from a 12 Volt source with 800 K series resistance, you can use a circuit like this:

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/LED%20circuit%20with%20transistor.PNG

By adding a high gain transistor and a power source for the LED, you can use the transistor to control the LED.
You might just get enough current to light a high efficiency LED.

There will be about 15 µA of base current in the transistor. If it had a gain of 300 the collector current would be 4.5 mA. This would be visible on some LEDs.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Your "800kΩ" source needs to have an emf (voltage) specified before you can say what current will pass through the diode.
Tell us the specific context of this with a circuit diagram, if possible, and we can probably help you.
As it stands, your question can't be answered except to say that a 12V source with 800kΩ in series will only pass 12/800e3 Amps, or 15microamps. That will not light an LED!
Depending on what he measured it with, his meter might not have enough input resistance to accurately measure a voltage source with 800kΩ of Thevinin resistance.
 

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