Cosmic rays - minimum ionizing particles ?

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The discussion revolves around the simulation of cosmic rays using a silicon CCD detector, focusing on the treatment of primary cosmic rays, specifically protons and alpha particles, as minimum ionizing particles. Participants explore the application of the Bethe-Bloch equation to determine energy loss and address the complexities of cosmic ray interactions with matter.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant treats cosmic ray protons as minimum ionizing particles based on their kinetic energy range but questions the applicability to alpha particles due to their low penetration ability.
  • Another participant states that protons are minimum ionizing between 1 and 2 GeV and notes that above 2 GeV, the energy loss behavior changes, including radiative effects.
  • A different participant argues that high-energy protons are not minimum ionizing and emphasizes that energy loss through ionization is only a small part of the overall energy loss process.
  • It is mentioned that a primary cosmic ray proton would likely undergo nuclear interactions before reaching a detector, complicating the detection of primary cosmic rays.
  • The original poster seeks clarification on the use of the Bethe-Bloch equation and the need to account for radiative losses at higher energies, expressing confusion about the expected behavior of the energy loss curve.
  • The original poster also inquires about resources for calculating dE/dX using the Bethe-Bloch formula for varying energies of protons through silicon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of high-energy protons as minimum ionizing particles, with some asserting that they are not, while others provide conditions under which they might be considered so. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the treatment of alpha particles and the complexities of energy loss mechanisms.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider additional factors such as radiative losses and nuclear interactions, which may not be fully addressed by the Bethe-Bloch equation alone. There are also references to specific energy thresholds and behaviors that are not universally agreed upon.

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Hello all,
i am having a few problems simulating cosmic rays with a silicon CCD detector, mainly because my knowledge on particle physics is quite poor. I am simulating primary cosmic rays, which predominantly consist of single protons and alpha particles. I am treating the protons as minimum ionizing particles, since the kinetic energy of cosmic ray protons are between 10^9 eV and 10^20 eV. I tried to use the Bethe-Bloch equation to determine the minimum ionisation energy but failed miserably. However, from some online searching, i found that minimum ionizing particles lose 1.66 MeV cm^2/g of energy when traveling through silicon. My first question, am i correct to treat the cosmic ray protons as minimum ionizing particles? Secondly, can i also treat the alpha particles as minimum ionizing particles? I have read the alpha particles do not penetrate matter very well. So confused ! Any help is appreciated, thanks.

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Protons are minimum ionizing between 1 and 2 GeV. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethe_formula

Also see Eq (27.3) and discussion in

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-passage-particles-matter.pdf

Above ~ 2 GeV, the dE/dx equation for protons rises logarithmically, but this does not include radiative effects. See the Fig. 27.1 in the LBL pdf and look at the radiative correction effect at high energies.. For alpha particles, the ionization rate is z2 = 4 times as high as protons for the same β (see url). Alpha particles are probably minimum ionizing between 4 and 8 GeV (again same β).

Bob S.

[added] Here is the particle properties table from the particle data Group.

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-atomic-nuclear-prop.pdf

Silicon minimum ionization is shown to be 1/66 MeV per g/cm2
 
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A proton of that high energy is nowhere near minimum ionizing. Also, it's losing a significant fraction of its energy through other processes, so ionization energy loss is only a tiny piece of the story.

You do realize that for your CCD to detect primaries, it needs to be in space, right?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
A proton of that high energy is nowhere near minimum ionizing. Also, it's losing a significant fraction of its energy through other processes, so ionization energy loss is only a tiny piece of the story.
If an individual proton (a cosmic ray secondary) enters a 100-micron-thick silicon particle detector, there is less than 0.1% chance that there will be a nuclear interaction (nuclear cascade) before it exits. The nuclear interaction length is about 108 grams per cm2. So the main (≈99.9% probability) signal would be the Bethe-Bloch dE/dx ionization. See

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-atomic-nuclear-prop.pdf

Per Vanadium, a primary cosmic ray proton will develop a full nuclear cascade within ~450 grams per cm2 (5 interaction lengths) of the upper atmosphere, and never reach the ground. A lot of "cosmic rays" reaching the ground are actually muons from pion decay in the upper atmosphere..

Bob S
 
Hi,
thanks very much for your replies. The simulation is for CCDs in space, so I am definitely dealing with primary cosmic rays. From what i gather, i need to use the Bethe-Bloch equation to determine dE/dX at all cosmic ray energies and not use the minimum ionizing energy. I also need to include radiative losses, which are dominant at higher energies. I am assuming that radiative losses are not accounted for in the Bethe-Bloch formula and i need to use an additional formula? When i use the Bethe-Bloch formula, i seem to get a constant decay and not an increase in the curve after the minimum ionization point as the particle speed (or energy) increases. Is there anywhere online where i can get an excel spreadsheet or an applet for the Bethe-Blcoh formula, that allows me to input my parameters (e.g. 10 MeV - 1000 MeV protons through silicon) and gives me the dE/dX curve vs. particle energy?

Thanks.
 
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