Counting Counter Quotes: Reasonable vs Unreasonable & Confucianism

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The discussion revolves around the concept of counter quotes, where participants share a quote and then provide an opposing or contrasting quote in response. The initial quote presented discusses the nature of reasonable versus unreasonable people, suggesting that change is driven by the latter. Counter quotes range from proverbs to philosophical statements, highlighting the complexity of human behavior and societal norms. Participants engage in a playful exchange, challenging each other to find counter quotes for various sayings, such as "nice guys finish last" and "actions speak louder than words." The dialogue includes humorous takes on traditional proverbs and explores the idea that many sayings can have multiple interpretations or opposites. The conversation emphasizes the richness of language and the subjective nature of wisdom, with a mix of serious reflections and light-hearted banter.
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I thought it might be interesting to see how many counter quotes can be found to respond to a given quote.

For example, one that hit me some time ago was that of reasonable people.

Quote: "The reasonable man adapts to the world around him, while the unreasonable person tries to change the world to suit him. Conclusion: Change only occurs because of unreasonable people."

As a counter quote: The Chinese have a saying that goes something like, "the weed that stands out the most is the one that gets knocked down first"

or

Q: "To be able to practice five things everywhere under heaven constitutes perfect virtue. . . . [They are] gravity, generosity of soul, sincerity, earnestness, and kindness."-- The Confucian Analects, bk. 17:6

CQ: Nice guys finish last.
 
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In fact, why not make it a game like What was it - provide a counter quote and then a quote for the next person.

Q:Seize the day, put no trust in the morrow! -- Horace [Quintus Horatius Flaccus] 65 – 8 B.C. Odes, bk. I [23 B.C.], ode xi, last line
 
Old wise man once say every proverb has an opposite, even this one!
 
There is but one truth
 
the sqeeky wheel gets the grease

can't think of anything to counter that?
 
light_bulb said:
the sqeeky wheel gets the grease

can't think of anything to counter that?

Silence is golden.
 
speak now or forever hold your peace.
 
An inability to stay quiet is one of the most conspicuous failings of mankind. ~Walter Bagehot
 
Actions speak louder than words.
 
  • #10
The pen is mightier than the sword.
 
  • #11
Two heads are better than one, and, indeed, many hands make light work, but only so long as it's not a case of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, because too many cooks spoil the broth.
 
  • #12
aah that one's hard... all I can think of is:

"The more the merrier—ALWAYS!"

... but I kind of cheated...

here's mine:

"This proverb has no opposite." --- muahaha there's no way out of that one!
 
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moe darklight said:
"This proverb has no opposite." --- muahaha there's no way out of that one!
Yeah there is: it's not a real proverb. You just invented it.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
Two heads are better than one, and, indeed, many hands make light work, but only so long as it's not a case of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, because too many cooks spoil the broth.

One shouldn't bother with broth anyway, as an apple a day is much better at keeping the doctor away.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
Yeah there is: it's not a real proverb. You just invented it.

Well someone has to. All the proverbs are so old, nobody's making new proverbs now a days. I say you don't have to be ancient and chinese or greek to write a proverb! and I think that's a good candidate for being a proverb!
 
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franznietzsche said:
Actions speak louder than words.

say what you mean and mean what you say
 
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light_bulb said:
the sqeeky wheel gets the grease

can't think of anything to counter that?
There is an opposing Japanese proverb "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."
 
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jimmysnyder said:
There is an opposing Japanese proverb "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."

Two nails in the hand are worth one in the board.
 
  • #19
Of what use is it that the cow gives plenty of milk, if she upset the pail.
 
  • #20
Try counter quoting this one :

Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.
- Albert Einstein (Don't know if he really said it)
 
  • #21
franznietzsche said:
Two nails in the hand are worth one in the board.
Measure twice, chop once.
 
  • #22
Two wrongs don't make a right (but three lefts do.)
 
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dontdisturbmycircles said:
Try counter quoting this one :

Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.
- Albert Einstein (Don't know if he really said it)
Virtue can hurt you.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
Measure twice, chop once.

That's a good one.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
Two heads are better than one, and, indeed, many hands make light work, but only so long as it's not a case of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, because too many cooks spoil the broth.

moe darklight said:
aah that one's hard... all I can think of is:

"The more the merrier—ALWAYS!"

... but I kind of cheated...

here's mine:

"This proverb has no opposite." --- muahaha there's no way out of that one!

zoobyshoe said:
Yeah there is: it's not a real proverb. You just invented it.

That's the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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BobG said:
That's the pot calling the kettle black.
Birds of a feather flock together.
 
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BobG said:
That's the pot calling the kettle black.

lol you said what I wanted to say but didn't have a proverb for it!

I would have made one up but... :biggrin:

altho he didn't really make one up as much as created a proverb remix :smile: .
 
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Together we stand, divided we fall.
 
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hypatia said:
Together we stand, divided we fall.

You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose, no matter how close you are.
 
  • #30
he who laughs last laughs best.
 
  • #31
Try this one:

"You can't have your cake, and eat it too"

as a kid that one drove me nuts, I'm Like, what the heck are you supposed to do with it then!? heh
 
  • #32
Ivan Seeking said:
"The reasonable man adapts to the world around him, while the unreasonable person tries to change the world to suit him. Conclusion: Change only occurs because of unreasonable people."
Wow! That 1 is great!:smile:




light_bulb said:
he who laughs last laughs best.

He who laughs last thinks slowest!:redface:
 
  • #33
hypatia said:
Together we stand, divided we fall.

CQ:Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.”
or
No crowd ever waited at the gates of patience.

Q: Only the tent pitched by your own hands will stand.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Q: Only the tent pitched by your own hands will stand.

CQ: Many hands make light work.

Q: Happiness depends upon ourselves. - Aristotle
 
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Type 7 said:
CQ: Many hands make light work.

Q: Happiness depends upon ourselves. - Aristotle

cq: no man is an island

q: The direction in which education starts a man will determine his future life. The Republic, bk. IV, 425 – B
 
  • #36
Lisa! said:
Wow! That 1 is great!:smile:
He who laughs last thinks slowest!:redface:

:smile: :smile: how many physicists does it take to screw in a light bulb
 
  • #37
Ivan Seeking said:
cq: no man is an island

q: The direction in which education starts a man will determine his future life. The Republic, bk. IV, 425 – B

CQ: Let early education be a sort of amusement you will then be better able to find out the natural bent. Plato, The Republic, Bk I, 537.

(Hmm...seems Plato contradicted himself :smile:)

Q: A great step towards independence is a good-humored stomach, one that is willing to endure rough treatment. Seneca, Epistles 123, 3.
 
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Moonbear said:
Q: A great step towards independence is a good-humored stomach, one that is willing to endure rough treatment. Seneca, Epistles 123, 3.

CQ: He will never have true friends who is afraid of making enemies

Q: If a man insisted always on being serious, and never allowed himself a bit of fun and relaxation, he would go mad or become unstable without knowing it. -- The Histories of Herodotus, bk. II, ch. 173

---modern: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
CQ: He will never have true friends who is afraid of making enemies

Q: If a man insisted always on being serious, and never allowed himself a bit of fun and relaxation, he would go mad or become unstable without knowing it. -- The Histories of Herodotus, bk. II, ch. 173

---modern: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

CQ: I don't like work--no man does, but I like what is in the work, the chance to find yourself. -- Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness

Q: "Through error you come to the truth! I am a man because I err! You never reach any truth without making fourteen mistakes and very likely a hundred and fourteen." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Together we stand, divided we fall.
CQ:Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.”
or
No crowd ever waited at the gates of patience.

I prefer: "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
www.despair.com forever!
 
  • #41
"with friends like that who needs enemies"
 
  • #42
franznietzsche said:
CQ: I don't like work--no man does, but I like what is in the work, the chance to find yourself. -- Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness

Q: "Through error you come to the truth! I am a man because I err! You never reach any truth without making fourteen mistakes and very likely a hundred and fourteen." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment

cq: “The error of one moment becomes the sorrow of a whole life” - chinese proverb

q: If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error - John Kenneth Galbraith
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
cq: “The error of one moment becomes the sorrow of a whole life” - chinese proverb

q: If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error - John Kenneth Galbraith

cq:The tyrant has fallen Iraq is free.....:smile: Proof of the Galbraith Quote.
George W Bush

Q: There are two kinds of light--the glow that illuminates, and the glare that obscures.
James Thurber
 
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edward said:
cq:The tyrant has fallen Iraq is free.....:smile: Proof of the Galbraith Quote.
George W Bush

Q: There are two kinds of light--the glow that illuminates, and the glare that obscures.
James Thurber

CQ: In the beginning there was nothing. God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better. ~Ellen DeGeneres

Q: "The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov
 
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franznietzsche said:
CQ: In the beginning there was nothing. God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better. ~Ellen DeGeneres

Q: "The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

CQ:Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. - Albert Einstein

Q: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind - Albert Einstein
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
CQ:Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. - Albert Einstein

Q: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind - Albert Einstein

CQ: "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Q: He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
 
  • #47
CQ: The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Eistein

Q: The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil - Hannah Arendt.
 
  • #48
when you dance with the devil it's not the devil who changes.
 
  • #49
light_bulb said:
when you dance with the devil it's not the devil who changes.

cq:We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell - Oscar Wilde

q: 2 is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2. - Grabel's law
 
  • #50
life is what you make it.
 

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