Covariant Derivatives (1st, 2nd) of a Scalar Field

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The discussion revolves around the covariant derivative of a covariant derivative of a scalar field, specifically questioning whether it is equal to zero. The original poster presents an equation involving the covariant derivative of a scalar field and seeks clarification on the conditions under which this might hold true.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the covariant derivative of a scalar field and its second covariant derivative. The original poster attempts to expand the equations to prove a specific relationship, while others question the correctness of the lecturer's assertion that the covariant derivative should equal zero.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, with some participants suggesting that the covariant derivative of the covariant derivative of a scalar field is generally not zero. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the properties of the tensor involved and the application of covariant derivatives.

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Participants note the importance of considering the covariant derivative of the metric tensor in the context of their calculations. There is also mention of the specific nature of the tensor being discussed, which may influence the outcome of the covariant derivative.

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Homework Statement


Suppose we have a covariant derivative of covariant derivative of a scalar field. My lecturer said that it should be equal to zero. but I seem to not get it

Homework Equations


Suppose we have
$$X^{AB} = \nabla^A \phi \nabla^B \phi - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla_C \phi \nabla^C \phi $$
it should be proven that
$$\nabla_A \: X^{AB} =0$$
with ##\phi## is a scalar field

The Attempt at a Solution



Naturally, we would expand the equations.
\begin{align}\nabla_A \: X^{AB} &= \nabla_A \left[ \nabla^A \phi \nabla^B \phi - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla_C \phi \nabla^C \phi \right] \\
&= \nabla^B \phi \left[ \nabla_A \nabla^A \phi \right] + \nabla^A \phi \left[ \nabla_A \nabla^B \phi \right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla_C \phi \left[\nabla_A \nabla^C \phi\right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla^C \phi \left[\nabla_A \nabla_C \phi\right]
\end{align}

We know that the covariant derivative of a scalar is its partial derivative ## \nabla_A \phi = \partial_A \phi##

\begin{align}\nabla_A \: X^{AB} &= \partial^B \phi \left[ \nabla_A \partial^A \phi \right] + \partial^A \phi \left[ \nabla_A \partial^B \phi \right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial_C \phi \left[\nabla_A \partial^C \phi\right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial^C \phi \left[\nabla_A \partial_C \phi\right]
\end{align}

Now the 2nd Cov. Der. would depends on the christoffel symbol where
\begin{align}
\nabla_A \partial_B \phi &= \partial_A \partial_B \phi - \partial_C \phi \Gamma_{AB}^C \\
\nabla_A \partial^B \phi &= \partial_A \partial^B \phi + \partial^C \phi \Gamma_{AC}^B
\end{align}

so that
\begin{align}\nabla_A \: X^{AB} &= \partial^B \phi \left[ \partial_A \partial^A \phi + \partial^C \phi \Gamma_{AC}^A \right] + \partial^A \phi \left[ \partial_A \partial^B \phi + \partial^C \phi \Gamma_{AC}^B \right] \\
\nonumber
& - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial_C \phi \left[\partial_A \partial^C \phi + \partial^D \phi \Gamma_{AD}^C\right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial^C \phi \left[\partial_A \partial_C \phi - \partial_D \phi \Gamma_{AC}^D\right]
\end{align}

Now I'm stuck as to where should I go? How could t be proven that last (and quite long) equation be equal to zero?
Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks in advance
 
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rezkyputra said:
Suppose we have a covariant derivative of covariant derivative of a scalar field. My lecturer said that it should be equal to zero.
That doesn't sound correct to me. IIRC the covariant derivative of the covariant derivative of scalar field ##\phi## is a ##\pmatrix{0\\2}## tensor whose ##(\alpha,\beta)## element is
$$\phi_{;\alpha\beta}=\partial_\beta\partial_\alpha\phi-\Gamma^\mu_{\alpha\beta}(\partial_\mu\phi)$$
which is not in general zero.
 
andrewkirk said:
That doesn't sound correct to me. IIRC the covariant derivative of the covariant derivative of scalar field ##\phi## is a ##\pmatrix{0\\2}## tensor whose ##(\alpha,\beta)## element is
$$\phi_{;\alpha\beta}=\partial_\beta\partial_\alpha\phi-\Gamma^\mu_{\alpha\beta}(\partial_\mu\phi)$$
which is not in general zero.

All in all, said tensor ##X^{AB}## in my post was actually an Energy momentum tensor, which should have a covariant derivative of zero ##\nabla_A X^{AB} = \nabla_A T^{AB} = 0 ##

or is there a special case where that would be zero?
 
rezkyputra said:

Homework Statement


Suppose we have a covariant derivative of covariant derivative of a scalar field. My lecturer said that it should be equal to zero. but I seem to not get it

Homework Equations


Suppose we have
$$X^{AB} = \nabla^A \phi \nabla^B \phi - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla_C \phi \nabla^C \phi $$
it should be proven that
$$\nabla_A \: X^{AB} =0$$
with ##\phi## is a scalar field

The Attempt at a Solution



Naturally, we would expand the equations.
\begin{align}\nabla_A \: X^{AB} &= \nabla_A \left[ \nabla^A \phi \nabla^B \phi - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla_C \phi \nabla^C \phi \right] \\
&= \nabla^B \phi \left[ \nabla_A \nabla^A \phi \right] + \nabla^A \phi \left[ \nabla_A \nabla^B \phi \right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla_C \phi \left[\nabla_A \nabla^C \phi\right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \nabla^C \phi \left[\nabla_A \nabla_C \phi\right]
\end{align}

We know that the covariant derivative of a scalar is its partial derivative ## \nabla_A \phi = \partial_A \phi##

\begin{align}\nabla_A \: X^{AB} &= \partial^B \phi \left[ \nabla_A \partial^A \phi \right] + \partial^A \phi \left[ \nabla_A \partial^B \phi \right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial_C \phi \left[\nabla_A \partial^C \phi\right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial^C \phi \left[\nabla_A \partial_C \phi\right]
\end{align}

Now the 2nd Cov. Der. would depends on the christoffel symbol where
\begin{align}
\nabla_A \partial_B \phi &= \partial_A \partial_B \phi - \partial_C \phi \Gamma_{AB}^C \\
\nabla_A \partial^B \phi &= \partial_A \partial^B \phi + \partial^C \phi \Gamma_{AC}^B
\end{align}

so that
\begin{align}\nabla_A \: X^{AB} &= \partial^B \phi \left[ \partial_A \partial^A \phi + \partial^C \phi \Gamma_{AC}^A \right] + \partial^A \phi \left[ \partial_A \partial^B \phi + \partial^C \phi \Gamma_{AC}^B \right] \\
\nonumber
& - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial_C \phi \left[\partial_A \partial^C \phi + \partial^D \phi \Gamma_{AD}^C\right] - \frac{1}{2} g^{AB} \partial^C \phi \left[\partial_A \partial_C \phi - \partial_D \phi \Gamma_{AC}^D\right]
\end{align}

Now I'm stuck as to where should I go? How could t be proven that last (and quite long) equation be equal to zero?
Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks in advance
You have forgotten to apply the covariant derivative to the metric g^{AB}.
 

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