Creating stationary neutrons by colliding protons and electrons

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of creating stationary neutrons by colliding protons and electrons in a precise collider setup. Participants explore the feasibility of accumulating neutrons, their stability, decay processes, and interactions under specific conditions in a zero-gravity environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that it may be possible to create a clump of stationary neutrons if momentum is perfectly canceled out during collisions.
  • Several participants argue that the interaction produces a neutrino, which would cause the neutron to recoil, thus preventing the creation of stationary neutrons.
  • There is a discussion about the conservation of momentum, with some suggesting that if the proton moves at a specific speed relative to the electron, it might affect the outcome.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of the neutrons, with references to their decay half-life and comparisons to neutrons in a neutron star, suggesting that conditions might allow for a large number of neutrons to exist without decaying.
  • One participant questions the relevance of the neutrino's energy compared to the neutron, while others clarify that momentum, not energy, is the critical factor in the neutron's recoil.
  • There is skepticism about the feasibility of creating a macroscopic amount of matter through this method, referencing past experiences with particle accelerators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of creating stationary neutrons and the implications of neutrino interactions. There is no consensus on whether a stable clump of neutrons can be formed or how they would behave under the proposed conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in predicting the behavior of neutrinos and the complexities involved in achieving the proposed collider conditions. There are unresolved questions regarding the interaction dynamics and the implications of neutron decay in this context.

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Lets say, in zero gravity space, you have an incredibly precise collider that slams protons and electrons into each other as perfectly as possible such that all momentum is canceled out and the resulting neutron has no velocity relative to the observer. As protons and electrons continue to collide, would you be able to just build up a large clump of stationary neutrons/neutronium or would some phenomenon crop up making this impossible? If this does work, what happens to the growing clump of neutrons? Does it remain stable, or start decaying, and do the new neutrons start interacting with each other via the strong force?
 
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First, you can't do this. The interaction produces a neutrino, which will cause the neutron to recoil. Second, momentum is still conserved, so the neutron will move in the electron direction.

Second, the neutrons will decay with their usual half life.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Second, momentum is still conserved, so the neutron will move in the electron direction.
Unless the proton is moving at 1/1836th the speed of the electron. :oldbiggrin:
Vanadium 50 said:
Second, the neutrons will decay with their usual half life.
~15 minutes.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
First, you can't do this. The interaction produces a neutrino, which will cause the neutron to recoil. Second, momentum is still conserved, so the neutron will move in the electron direction.

Second, the neutrons will decay with their usual half life.
In this example both the proton and electron have the same momentum so the electron is traveling at a much higher speed compared to the proton. Presumably the electron in this would be accelerated to a much higher speed so everything is canceled out. Also isn't the neutrino pretty much irrelevant because of how much less energy it has compared to the neutron? Perhaps you could angle the electron and proton very slightly to offset the recoil produced from the neutrino.

The decay period also seems long enough to where you could build up a very large number of neutrons in a small space, and at some point wouldn't the neutrons not decay similar similar to why neutrons in a neutron star don't decay?
 
arusse02 said:
isn't the neutrino pretty much irrelevant because of how much less energy it has compared to the neutron?

Energy is not the same as momentum. The neutron's recoil is due to the neutrino's momentum.

arusse02 said:
Perhaps you could angle the electron and proton very slightly to offset the recoil produced from the neutrino.

You can't do this because you can't predict in which direction the neutrino will come out; that's not controllable.
 
You want to have two accelerators and make a macroscopic amount of matter? Good luck with that. As was once said about Fermilab "I can spit more protons than this machine will ever accelerate."

arusse02 said:
The decay period also seems long enough to where you could build up a very large number of neutrons in a small space, and at some point wouldn't the neutrons not decay similar similar to why neutrons in a neutron star don't decay?

It's not any more feasible since the first time you proposed this.
 

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