Crossing Symmetry and Mandelstam Variables; and (unrelated) external photons

In summary: P&S say (p. 156) "it is conventional to define t as the squared difference of the initial and final momenta of the most similar particles."In summary, in the book "Peskin and Schroeder An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory," the authors discuss the principle of crossing symmetry and Mandelstam variables in section 5.4. They use these concepts to easily compute the squared, spin-averaged amplitude for the process e^-\mu^- \rightarrow e^-\mu^- by exploiting a previous result for e^+e^- \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-. The authors also mention that it is conventional to define t as the squared difference of the initial and final momenta of the most similar
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Greetings--a few further questions and thoughts from Peskin and Schroeder An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory. (I'll do my best to keep the discussion self-contained, but I'll provide references as well.)

Is there an easy way to produce Feynman diagrams in LaTeX? (Maybe Daniel has a trick? :smile: ) In the mean while I'll resort to describing them.

In section 5.4 (p.155-157) P&S introduce the principle of crossing symmetry and Mandelstam variables and proceed to use these tricks to easily compuse the squared, spin-avereaged amplitude for [tex]e^-\mu^- \rightarrow e^-\mu^-[/tex] by exploiting a previous result for [tex]e^+e^- \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-[/tex].

P&S say (p. 156) "it is conventional to define [tex]t[/tex] as the squared difference of the initial and final momenta of the most similar particles."

  • First of all, is there some standard criteria for what constitutes a "similar" particle? i.e. are an electron and a positron more similar than an electron and a muon (charge versus family)?

This seems to lead to some ambiguity in the example:

Following P&S's notation for [tex]e^+e^- \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-[/tex] as follows: the momentum of the incoming [tex]e^-[/tex] is [tex]p[/tex] and incoming [tex]e^+[/tex] is [tex]p'[/tex], while the momentum of the outgoing [tex]\mu-[/tex] is [tex]k[/tex] and outgoing [tex]\mu^+[/tex] is [tex]k'[/tex]. (That is, particles are unprimed while antiparticles are primed and incoming particles are labelled with [tex]p[/tex], outgoing particles are labelled with [tex]k[/tex]). ((See, that wasn't too hard to visualize, was it? o:) ))

The result (p. 156, eq. 5.70) is: [tex]\frac{1}{4}\sum_{spins}|M|^2 = \frac{8e^4}{s^2}\left[ \left( \frac{t}{2} \right)^2 + \left( \frac{u}{2} \right)^2\right][/tex]

Now we use this result to compute the corresponding value for [tex]e^-\mu^- \rightarrow e^-\mu^-[/tex]. We first turn the photon propagator sideways (which doesn't change the topology or physics). Then we apply crossing symmetry twice: (1) the incoming [tex]e^+[/tex] with momentum [tex]p'[/tex] becomes an outgoing [tex]e^-[/tex] with momentum [tex]-p'[/tex], (2) the outgoing [tex]\mu^+[/tex] with momentum [tex]k'[/tex] becomes an incoming [tex]\mu^-[/tex] with momentum [tex]-k'[/tex].

Let us call the corresponding Mandelstam variables for this process: [tex]\~{s}, \~{t}, \~{u}[/tex] to avoid confusion with the Mandelstam variables for [tex]e^+e^- \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-[/tex], which we write without squigglies.

Now all that remains to be done is to figure out what the old Mandelstam variables turn into in terms of the new Mandelstam variables after we employ crossing symmetry: [tex]p', k' \rightarrow -p', -k'[/tex].

First of all, [tex]s=(p+p')^2 = (k+k')^2 \rightarrow (p-p')^2 = (k-k')^2 = \~{t} [/tex], which is written out explicitly at the bottom of page 156. However, the text says that [tex]t \rightarrow \~{s}, u\rightarrow \~{u}[/tex], which appears to be a typo--or perhaps I'm confused.

  • I would think that [tex]t=(k-p)^2=(k'-p')^2 \rightarrow (k-p)^2=(k'-p')^2=\~{u}[/tex] and [tex]u=(k'-p)^2=(k-p')^2 \rightarrow (p+k')^2 = (k+p')^2 = \~s[/tex]. Is this correct? (Either way yields the same result for the spin-averaged amplitude-squared.)


Ok, now an unrelated question: in chapter 5.5 P&S discuss Compton Scattering and introduce photon polarization sums. Their goal is to motivate the replacement [tex]\sum_{polarizations} \epsilon^*_\mu \epsilon_\nu \rightarrow -g_{\mu \nu}[/tex]. They define [tex]M^\mu(k)[/tex] as the part of the total amplitude that does not depend on [tex]\epsilon^*_\mu[/tex] such that [tex]M(k)=M^\mu(k)\epsilon^*_\mu(k)[/tex].

On p. 160, however, I am confused by their motivation for the form of this [tex]M^\mu(k)[/tex]: "Now recall from Chapter 4 that external photons are created by the interaction term [tex]\int d^4x e j^\mu A_\mu[/tex], where [tex]j^\mu = \overline{\psi} \gamma^\mu \psi[/tex] is the Dirac vector current. Therefore we expect M to be given by the matrix element of the Heisenberg field [tex]j^\mu[/tex]: "

[tex]M^\mu(k)=\int d^4xe^{ik\cdot x} \langle f | j^\mu (x) i| \rangle[/tex]

Where the sum is over the inital and final states of all particles except the photon in question.

  • How are external photons created from the interaction term [tex]\int d^4x e j^\mu A_\mu[/tex] and how does this motivate the form for [tex]M^\mu(k)[/tex]: ?

Thanks very much,
Flip
easily bewildered student
 
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fliptomato said:
Ok, now an unrelated question: in chapter 5.5 P&S discuss Compton Scattering and introduce photon polarization sums. Their goal is to motivate the replacement [tex]\sum_{polarizations} \epsilon^*_\mu \epsilon_\nu \rightarrow -g_{\mu \nu}[/tex]. They define [tex]M^\mu(k)[/tex] as the part of the total amplitude that does not depend on [tex]\epsilon^*_\mu[/tex] such that [tex]M(k)=M^\mu(k)\epsilon^*_\mu(k)[/tex].

On p. 160, however, I am confused by their motivation for the form of this [tex]M^\mu(k)[/tex]: "Now recall from Chapter 4 that external photons are created by the interaction term [tex]\int d^4x e j^\mu A_\mu[/tex], where [tex]j^\mu = \overline{\psi} \gamma^\mu \psi[/tex] is the Dirac vector current. Therefore we expect M to be given by the matrix element of the Heisenberg field [tex]j^\mu[/tex]: "

[tex]M^\mu(k)=\int d^4xe^{ik\cdot x} \langle f | j^\mu (x) i| \rangle[/tex]

Where the sum is over the inital and final states of all particles except the photon in question.

  • How are external photons created from the interaction term [tex]\int d^4x e j^\mu A_\mu[/tex] and how does this motivate the form for [tex]M^\mu(k)[/tex]: ?

Thanks very much,
Flip
easily bewildered student


The reason for this is that certain possible polarizations of photons (more specifically the longitudinal polarization) are NOT physical and need to be eliminated from the physical model. This modification is done by Gupta and Bleuler. Not-physical means that if you were to use this polarization then you would acquire a negative expectation value for the photons and that is ofcourse not possible. So basically the Matrix M describes or contains only the physical polarizations and therefore it describes the photons. The interaction term can be interpreted in several ways if which you already gave one. Now you can also see the j-term as some disturbance of the system that leads to the generation of particles, of which the interactions are mediated by the A-tensor. in this case the A-tensor are photons...

But this is not important, the point is that M must be written in terms of jA because these are real and physical photons...


As an addendum : There is another way in order to eliminate unphysical degrees of freedom. Just add the opposite degrees of freedom to your model so that the "sum" yields a model that is liberated of these unphysical things. the opposite degrees of freedom (opposite to the unphysical ones that is) are called the fadeev Poppov gohsts and they are very famous in QFT. Besides in order to make sure that this system works you need to write it down in Grassmann variables which i explained in your other post...

regards
marlon

ps : let me get back on the Mandelstamm variables tomorrow...They are a renormalization thing...
 
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Hi Flip,

Thanks for your questions and thoughts on the material from Peskin and Schroeder's Introduction to Quantum Field Theory. I'll do my best to address your points and provide some further clarification on the topics you mentioned.

First, to address your question about producing Feynman diagrams in LaTeX, there are a few options available. One option is to use the TikZ-Feynman package, which allows for the creation of Feynman diagrams using LaTeX code. Another option is to use external software such as JaxoDraw or FeynArts to produce the diagrams and import them into your LaTeX document. Both of these options require a bit of learning and practice, but once you get the hang of it, it can be a useful tool for visualizing and communicating your calculations.

Moving on to your questions about crossing symmetry and Mandelstam variables, you are correct in your understanding that the choice of "similar" particles is somewhat arbitrary. In general, particles with similar properties (such as mass and charge) are considered "similar." In the case of e^-e^+ \rightarrow \mu^+\mu^-, the particles are considered similar because they have the same mass and opposite charge, making them interchangeable in the calculation.

Regarding your confusion with the notation in the example, you are correct that the text has a typo. The correct mapping of Mandelstam variables after applying crossing symmetry is s \rightarrow \~s, t \rightarrow \~{u}, and u \rightarrow \~{t}. This is because crossing symmetry essentially "flips" the initial and final states, so the variables that correspond to the initial state (s and u) are flipped to correspond to the final state (t and \~{s}).

Moving on to your unrelated question about Compton scattering and photon polarization sums, the external photons are created through the interaction term \int d^4x e j^\mu A_\mu by the process of virtual photon exchange. This means that the photon is not a physical particle, but rather a mathematical construct used to describe the interaction between the electron and the external field. The form of M^\mu(k) follows from the standard procedure of calculating matrix elements using the Heisenberg picture, where the fields at different spacetime points are related by the Heisenberg equation of motion. The motivation for using this form for M^\mu(k) comes from the fact that it yields the correct result for the
 

1. What is crossing symmetry?

Crossing symmetry is a fundamental principle in theoretical physics that states that the scattering amplitudes of particles should be equal when the initial and final states are interchanged. This means that if we swap the incoming and outgoing particles in a scattering process, the resulting amplitude should be the same.

2. What are Mandelstam variables?

Mandelstam variables are a set of four variables used to describe the kinematics of high-energy particle collisions. They are named after the physicist Stanley Mandelstam and are denoted by s, t, u, and v. These variables are used to calculate the energy, momentum, and angle of the particles involved in the collision.

3. How are Mandelstam variables related to crossing symmetry?

In scattering processes, the Mandelstam variables are used to determine the symmetry properties of the scattering amplitudes. Crossing symmetry requires that the amplitudes are invariant under certain transformations of these variables. This allows us to make predictions about the behavior of particles in high-energy collisions.

4. What is the role of external photons in these concepts?

External photons are used as a tool to investigate the properties of particles and their interactions. They can be used to probe the scattering processes and provide information about the particles involved. In the context of crossing symmetry and Mandelstam variables, external photons can help us understand the symmetry properties of the scattering amplitudes.

5. How are these concepts relevant to current research in physics?

These concepts are still actively studied in modern physics research, particularly in the field of high-energy particle physics. Understanding crossing symmetry and Mandelstam variables can help us make predictions about the behavior of particles in particle colliders, and external photons are important tools in these experiments. These concepts also play a role in the development of new theoretical models and theories to explain the fundamental forces and particles in the universe.

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