Crystalline Nature: NACl & NA2CO3.10H2O Explained

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The discussion revolves around the nature of crystalline solids, specifically focusing on sodium chloride (NaCl) and sodium carbonate decahydrate (Na2CO3.10H2O). Participants explore whether all crystalline solids must be hydrated or hygroscopic, and the implications of crystallization conditions on these properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if all crystalline solids are necessarily hydrated or hygroscopic, specifically asking about NaCl and Na2CO3.10H2O.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the context of the inquiry to better understand the question.
  • A participant provides an example of quartz, stating it is not hygroscopic and does not contain crystalline water, suggesting it answers the initial question.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether Na2CO3.10H2O is crystalline while Na2CO3 is not, with a request for further elaboration.
  • One participant explains that many substances can contain crystalline water when crystallized from aqueous solutions, and that anhydrous crystals can be hygroscopic, but not all crystalline substances contain water.
  • Another participant discusses the affinity of certain chemicals for water, noting that Na2CO3 may crystallize in a wet environment, affecting its properties.
  • There is a mention of the possibility of crystallizing substances in anhydrous conditions, while still retaining their chemical identity and hygroscopic nature.
  • A participant expresses a misunderstanding about the production of anhydrous crystals, suggesting a belief that they cannot be produced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of hydration in crystalline solids, with some arguing that not all crystals are hygroscopic or contain water, while others emphasize the conditions under which crystallization occurs. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of hydration and hygroscopicity, as well as the specific conditions under which different substances crystallize. The complexity of these concepts is acknowledged but not fully resolved.

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is it necessary that all crystalline solids are hydrated or hygroscopic.
could anyone explain me the case of NACl and NA2CO3.10H2O?
 
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could you be a little more description as to what you're investigating you know some context for your question?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quartz,_Tibet.jpg

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No crystalline water, not hygroscopic.

Does it answer your question?
 
is it so that Na2CO3.10H2O crystalline and Na2CO3 not?if not what it is.
 
anigeo said:
is it so that Na2CO3.10H2O crystalline and Na2CO3 not?if not what it is.

Please elaborate, I don't understand your question.

Many substances will contain crystalline water when crystallized from water solutions, and it can be difficult to prepare their anhydrous crystals. In such cases it may mean anhydrous crystals will be very hygroscopic. It doesn't mean every crystal of every substance contains crystalline water and is hygroscopic, as is clearly shown by the quartz example.
 
Some chemicals just tend to have a high affinity to water. So in the case of your Na2CO3 it may well have been crystallized from water or in a wet environment and its affinity for water dictates that the lowest energy pathway to crystallization just so happens to include any nearby water molecules.

You could equally crystallize them in anhydrous conditions but the resulting anhydrous, crystalline, substance is still the same chemical and as such still has its affinity for water which makes it a hygroscopic material.
 
Borek said:
Please elaborate, I don't understand your question.

Many substances will contain crystalline water when crystallized from water solutions, and it can be difficult to prepare their anhydrous crystals. In such cases it may mean anhydrous crystals will be very hygroscopic. It doesn't mean every crystal of every substance contains crystalline water and is hygroscopic, as is clearly shown by the quartz example.

thanks i just thought that anhydrous crystals can never be produced.
 

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