Cubic Functions: Derivatives and Graph Tendencies

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The discussion revolves around cubic functions in calculus, specifically focusing on derivatives and the behavior of their graphs. Participants are examining how to determine intervals of increase or decrease based on the first derivative and are exploring the implications of a negative discriminant in the context of real roots.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of equating the first derivative to zero to find critical points and intervals of increase or decrease. There is confusion regarding the implications of a negative discriminant for the derivative and how it relates to the behavior of the original function. Questions arise about proving whether the function is constantly increasing or decreasing without real critical points.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the relationship between the first derivative and the behavior of the function. There is acknowledgment of the need to evaluate the derivative at specific points to determine the overall trend of the function. The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in exploring the concepts presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the derivative's behavior, particularly in relation to the original function's graph crossing the x-axis. There is a focus on understanding the significance of critical points and the conditions for identifying points of inflection.

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Homework Statement


hey Forum! I had a question here I'm struggling with and was wondering if someone could take a look. its Dealing with calculus, specifically derivatives and behaviors of the graph:

http://i41.tinypic.com/mc6opj.jpg
mc6opj.jpg


I just started and part a) already has me stumped D:

The Attempt at a Solution


for intervals of increase or decrease I know we must equate the first derivative to zero.

f(x) = x^3 – x^2 + 4x – 3
f’(x) = 3x^2 – 2x + 4
f’’(x) = 6x – 2

so:
f’(x) = 3x^2 – 2x + 4
0 = 3x^2 – 2x + 4
however I couldn't factor this.. and when I tried to use the quadratic formula.. I got a negative discriminant.
From what I gather this means the derivative has no real roots.. However the actual graph of the original function crosses the x-axis just before 1.. I'm confused! how do I calculate this?:cry:

any advice would be wicked!
 
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chubbyorphan said:

Homework Statement


hey Forum! I had a question here I'm struggling with and was wondering if someone could take a look. its Dealing with calculus, specifically derivatives and behaviors of the graph:

http://i41.tinypic.com/mc6opj.jpg
mc6opj.jpg


I just started and part a) already has me stumped D:

The Attempt at a Solution


for intervals of increase or decrease I know we must equate the first derivative to zero.

f(x) = x^3 – x^2 + 4x – 3
f’(x) = 3x^2 – 2x + 4
f’’(x) = 6x – 2

so:
f’(x) = 3x^2 – 2x + 4
0 = 3x^2 – 2x + 4
however I couldn't factor this.. and when I tried to use the quadratic formula.. I got a negative discriminant.
From what I gather this means the derivative has no real roots.. However the actual graph of the original function crosses the x-axis just before 1.. I'm confused! how do I calculate this?:cry:

any advice would be wicked!
Since f'(x) isn't 0 for any real number x, then there are no points on the cubic's graph with a horizontal tangent. Since the derivative is never zero, it must always be positive or always negative, meaning that the original function is either always increasing or always decreasing.
 
Thanks! okay that makes a lot of sense actually :D
SO its one or the other, right?

How do I prove whether its constantly increasing or decreasing using derivatives?

cuz normally I would equate the derivative to zero.. take the values that gives me for x..
and consider those 'significant points'.. then I would check the value for the derivative at points after, before, and possibly in between these 'signicant points' to determine where the original function is increasing or decreasing.

but since I have no real values that equate the derivative to zero.. I have no significant points to work with..

and the function crosses the x-axis just before x = 1 (according to my graphing calculator)

here is a picture:
http://i41.tinypic.com/bgoaah.jpg
bgoaah.jpg


but based on this.. am I correct to say:
there is no minimum or maximum?
We can attest to this simply because the function does is solely ^increasing? is that right?

How do I calculate the point in which the function changes from concave down to concave up, or the point of inflection?
Nvm. I think I got point of inflection.. equate second derivative to zero!
then sub x value into original function! cha ching :D

I know I'm asking a lot but this graph really has me grinding my teeth.. thank you so much for helping me through this!
 
You seem to be confusing f(x)=0 and f'(x)=0. If f'(x) is never zero, then to see whether the function is increasing or decreasing you just evaluate f'(x) at any point (just like you would if you had special critical points, except you only have to check f'(x) at one point instead of a couple)- in this example, f'(0)=4 so the function f(x) is always increasing. The fact that f(x)=0 when x is approximately 1 is no big deal
 
Aha! Office_Shredder, I see what you mean! you're right, I was jumbling things up there a little bit! Thanks for clearing that up, homie!
 

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