Current to voltage covertion circuit design

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a current to voltage converter circuit specifically for a silicon detector that produces a current of 10 pA. Participants explore various design methods, components, and considerations necessary for achieving accurate measurements at such low current levels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests looking into electronmeter amplifiers, particularly transimpedance amplifiers, and recommends researching op-amps with low bias current.
  • Another participant points out that the LTC6079 op-amp has a bias current of 1 pA, which may still be too high for detecting 10 pA accurately.
  • Concerns are raised about the feedback resistor values needed to achieve the desired voltage output from the low current, indicating a need for a resistor in the range of 1 GΩ.
  • A participant emphasizes the complexity of the topic, mentioning factors like noise, offset, drift, and settling that can affect measurements at such low currents.
  • There is a discussion about the TL072IN op-amp, with one participant noting its input bias current is over 65 pA, which may not be suitable for accurately reading 10 pA.
  • Questions are posed regarding the specifications of the current to be measured, including maximum and minimum current levels and accuracy requirements.
  • Clarifications are sought on whether the 10 pA is a maximum current or a continuous measurement, and whether the focus is on measuring charge or current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of various op-amps for the task, with no consensus reached on the best approach or components to use for the current to voltage converter circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the specifications of the op-amps discussed, including input bias currents and accuracy requirements, which remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in circuit design, particularly in low-current applications, as well as students working on related projects in electronics or instrumentation.

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Hi everyone. I need small help regarding my BE project. I would like to design a current to voltage converter circuit for silicon detector, which produces current of 10pA. can anyone help me how to start please.



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nani
 
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Hi There Nani
Welcome to PF :)

What research have you done so far into design methods ?
We won't spoonfeed you with circuit diagrams, but if you find some circuits then you can ask questions about anything you don't understand, or improvements etc
If you are doing a BE then you must already have some ideas on how such a system operates ?

cheers
Dave
 
For this, look into electronmeter amplifier. They are mostly transimpedance amplifiers.

go to Analog Devices page and look for op-amp with low bias current in 200fA max. Look for application notes and study it. This is a bigger subject than you might think and it is impractical to explain in a post. Do some study and we can talk a lot more on the requirements you need.

If you have more specific question, post back. Get some knowledge first.
 
Hi
During the study i have found this op amp (LTC6079CGN#PBF). It has input bias current of 1pA. I am attaching my circuit diagram and link. Can some one please check and give me some suggestions (http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/62514.pdf).

Regards,
Nani.
 

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1pA bias current is high for OP. He/she need to detect 10pA. The feedback resistor is in the range of 1GΩ to get 10mV from 10pA. Here are threads that I had discussion on this topic:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=577647&highlight=transimpedance+amplifier

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=580689&highlight=transimpedance+amplifier

For this low current, it is not that simple anymore. Vibration can be a big problem on top of noise, offset, drift and settling. OP has to study up electronmeter amplifier before any meaningful discussion.
 
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Hi yungman. My teacher suggest me to use TL072IN op amp. Now i want to simulate this circuit in mindi or Ltspice but i couldn't able to find any predefined model. I have tried in internet, I found this link (http://www.madlabo.com/mad/edat/spice/model/opamp/Tl072.mod ).
can you please suggest some comments.
 
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You need to clarify your first post. You said you want to detect 10pA. Input bias current of TL072 is over 65pA and offset current is high. If you truly want to read 10pA with any accuracy, you cannot use this. Not even close. You need to specify more on what are you trying to read. Specification like:

1) What is the full scale ( Maximum) current you need to read?
2) What is the lowest current you need to read?
3) What is the accuracy requirement?
 
You say that your detector produces a current of 10 pA. Is this a range with 10pA the max or what? Are we really talking measuring charge or current ie can the detector produce 10pA or whatever continuously?

@yungman BTW I believe it is electrometer (without the n) which was originally a type of valve.
 

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