Currently studying for finals, with torque

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a ball rolling down a ramp, focusing on the concepts of torque, friction, and acceleration. Participants clarify the necessity of static friction for rolling without slipping and differentiate it from kinetic friction. The calculations for linear acceleration and speed are derived using the equations of motion and energy conservation, with the correct answers being a = (5gsinθ)/7 and v² = (10/7)gLsinθ. There is confusion regarding the application of the parallel axis theorem and the setup of torque equations, which is resolved through collaborative explanation. The conversation emphasizes understanding the relationship between torque, friction, and motion in rotational dynamics.
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Homework Statement



A ball of mass m and radius r (Icm = 2mr^2 /5) is released from rest, and rolls without slipping down a ramp.
(a) Draw a free body force diagram for the ball. [Hint: careful—there has to be friction. (Why?) Further, it is static friction, and not kinetic friction. (Why?)]
(b) Use ΣF = macm and Στcm = Icmαcm to find the (linear) acceleration of the ball down the ramp. [Ans: a = (5gsinθ)/7]
(c) Use your result from part (b) to find the linear speed of the ball after it rolls a distance L down the ramp. Check your answer by using conservation of energy.
(d) Solve for the friction force acting on the ball. [Ans: f = (2mgsinθ)/7.]
(e) Solve for the normal force, N.

The entire problem can be found here, diagram included

Homework Equations


Στcm = Icmcm = Fr
ΣF = m*acm
KE = (1/2)Icm*ω + (1/2)mv^2
PE = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



a. Pretty straight forward, Force of friction opposes force of gravity in x direction and both are equal to each other. Static friction allows the ball to roll because when the ball does not slip, the portion touching the ramp is actually stationary (I can't think of a better word). If it were kinetic friction, then it is implied that the ball is sliding down the ramp.

b. This is where I have a problem. My past notes show the "correct" steps, but there is one step at the very beginning that I do not understand.

Στ = Iω + mr^2 *ω <-- Why is there that mr^2ω? If it's related to kinetic energy, then what happened the (1/2)s?
= (2/5)mr2ω + mr2ω = (7/5)mr2ω = (7/5)mrω

ΣF = ma = Fg,x - Ff = 0 ∴ Ff = Fg,x = mgsinθ

mgsinθ *r = (7/5)mra
a = (5/7)gsinθ

c. Did I do this correctly?
KE = (1/2)(2/5)mv2 + (1/2)mv2 = (7/10)mv2
PE = mgh = mgLsinθ
mgLsinθ = (7/10)mv2
v2 = (10/7)gLsinθ

d.
rFf = Iα = (2/5)mra
Ff = (2/5)ma = (2/5)(5/7)mgsinθ = (2/7)mgsinθ

e.
Ff = Nus = mgcosθ *us
N = mgcosθ

Anyway, what I really need help on is the first step of b. As I said, we already went over this problem in my discussion class, but I just don't understand the first step of b. Thank you for your time!
 
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penguinnnnnx5 said:
b. This is where I have a problem. My past notes show the "correct" steps, but there is one step at the very beginning that I do not understand.

Στ = Iω + mr^2 *ω <-- Why is there that mr^2ω? If it's related to kinetic energy, then what happened the (1/2)s?
= (2/5)mr2ω + mr2ω = (7/5)mr2ω = (7/5)mrω

Note that the above equation is not correct dimensionally. Should ##\omega## be replaced by ##\alpha##? It looks like this is an attempt to set up torques about the point of contact of the sphere with the surface and the extra term with the ##mr^2## is due to the parallel axis theorem in shifting from the cm to the point of contact. But the question asks you to set up the equation using the cm as axis for the torques:

##\sum\tau_{cm} = I_{cm}\alpha##.
ΣF = ma = Fg,x - Ff = 0 ∴ Ff = Fg,x = mgsinθ

##a## is not zero. You want to find ##a##.
 
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Ahhh, that makes more sense. I completely forgot about the parallel axis theorem. Thank you! It all makes sense now.
 
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