Cylindrical rotor generator power under loss of excitation

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The discussion focuses on the power generation capabilities of non-salient pole turbo alternators under loss of excitation conditions. Unlike salient pole rotors that can supply real power due to reluctance power development, non-salient pole generators lack this ability, raising concerns about their operational feasibility in such scenarios. Participants highlight the risks of connecting these generators to the grid without field excitation, as it can induce high voltages that may cause damage. Some suggest that shorting the field could allow limited power generation, akin to induction machine behavior, but this practice is uncommon for large generators. Overall, the consensus indicates significant operational constraints for non-salient pole generators under loss of excitation.
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Hello all,

I want to know about turbo alternator real power producing capability under loss of excitation condition.

Normally in salient pole rotor have capability to supply real power under field current=0 condition, as there is reluctance power developed. But what about non salient pole generator? there is no saliency. So, there is not possibility to develop reluctance power. Does it mean that, this type of turbo generator is totally prohibited to run under loss of excitation condition?
 
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anorlunda said:
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I found this cool video that should answer your questions.

https://www.slideshare.net/mmuralintpc/loss-of-excitation
Thank you for your reply. I have watched this presentation before. Look very carefully this presentation, here also described about "salient Pole Rotor" alternator. But I need the behavior of "None salient Pole rotor" during this situation.
 
Think of this figure from the video. It applies to both round rotor and salient pole synchronous generators.
There are many constraints on generator operation. Many of them are seen in this figure.
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niaz said:
Does it mean that, this type of turbo generator is totally prohibited to run under loss of excitation condition?
You'd certainly not want it connected to the grid with no field .
As it develops slip high voltages induced in the field will wreck something.
Shorting the field would allow some power generation as an induction machine with amortisseur windings and shorted field carrying rotor current. But i don't know of anyone who's done that with a generator of any size. Some synchronous motors are started that way, though.
 
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