Damped Oscillations: Understanding the Amplitude Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of damped oscillations, specifically focusing on the amplitude function as it relates to the overall wave function. Participants explore the relationship between the amplitude decay and the oscillating cosine term in the context of physics and mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the amplitude function is represented as A(t) = Ae^(-bt/2m) without including the cosine term, which also depends on time.
  • Another participant suggests that the amplitude decay is independent of the wave shape and that the cosine term represents the oscillation while the exponential term signifies the decaying amplitude magnitude.
  • A later reply confirms that without damping, the amplitude would remain constant as A, indicating no decay.
  • One participant inquires whether the amplitude remains the same within a section of one wavelength, leading to a clarification that the amplitude continuously decreases over time.
  • Another participant introduces a more complex representation of the signal using exponentials and complex numbers, which some find challenging to understand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between the amplitude decay and the oscillation shape, but there is some confusion regarding the implications of these concepts, particularly in relation to the cosine term and the behavior of the amplitude over time.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about complex numbers and their application in this context, indicating a potential limitation in understanding the more advanced mathematical representations of damped oscillations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics and mathematics who are exploring the concepts of damped oscillations, amplitude functions, and the relationship between mathematical representations and physical phenomena.

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the formula for damped oscillations is given as x = Ae^(-bt/2m) cos(ωt+Φ)

so why is the amplitude as a function of time given as only the first part?

meaning only A(t) = Ae^(-bt/2m)

it "ignores" the 2nd term which is the oscillating cosine term. which still encompass a time t value too...

so how come the amplitude function is given as so ?

thanks
 
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Are you asking why the amplitude decay is independent of the wave shape?

A wave is in the form x = A*cos(wt+phi), there is no reason that A, w, phi cannot also vary with time to give a more complicated wave. The multiplication of A with the wave shape (the cosine term) means the wave gets smaller in height as time goes on, which reflects our observation of decaying oscillations.

I don't really understand the question,
Do you disagree that the function represents a decaying wave?
 
oh isee.. thanks

so you meant that the term Ae^-bt/2m signifies the decaying amplitude magnitude

whereas the cosine term represents the shape of the wave.

so if there were no damping, the A term would just be A without the epsilon? hence no decaying and it is just the original amplitude.

right?

thanks
 
Yes, exactly (although it is not an epsilon, its an exponential).

The graph below shows the final wave, and the amplitude is the dotted line. So the overall wave is being "squashed" over time because the amplitude is dropping.

375px-Exponential_loss_blue.svg.png
 
oh ya... its exponential lol

er from your graph, does it always mean that within the same section of 1 wavelength, like the 2nd crest to the 3rd crest,

the amplitude( from middle to 2nd crest , and from middle to 2nd trough), is the same?
 
No, the amplitude is continuously falling over all time.
 
ah ic ... thanks
 
Use exponentials to represent the signal:

x = Ae-bt/2m (eiwt+ e-iwt)/2

The attenuation represents the real part of the function which has both real and imaginary parts, the imaginary being the oscillation.
Bob S
 
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oh my. that's too complicated at the moment, i haven't really touched complex numbers yet

thanks though
 

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