DC Motor Wires: Current Flow With/Without Insulation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of current flow in DC motors when using insulated versus bare copper wire. Participants explore the implications of insulation on current paths and the construction of motors.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether current will flow in loops like in a diagram with insulation or behave differently without insulation.
  • Another participant asserts that motors do not use bare copper wire except at connection points, emphasizing the importance of insulation to prevent short circuits between wire turns.
  • A suggestion is made to research "enameled magnet wire" and to consider wire gauge based on current capacity.
  • One participant reiterates the previous point about the necessity of insulation, stating that without it, current could take unintended paths, potentially bypassing the necessary turns for magnetic effects.
  • Another participant confidently states that current will flow in the direction indicated in a diagram without insulation, implying a lack of looping behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of current without insulation, with some asserting that it will not loop as it does with insulation, while others emphasize the risks of short circuits and the need for insulation in motor construction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior of current in the absence of insulation.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the nature of current flow and the design of motors that are not fully explored, particularly regarding the effects of wire insulation on electromagnetic properties.

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One thing bothers me...

If we have a wire with NO insulation, and we make a loop like in these 2 examples. Connect those ends to battery. Current runs from + to -. Now, will the current behave like in A or in B(no insulation).

I know that with insulation, current will go in loops like A, but will it go in the same way without insulation?

I am trying to build an DC motor and i found all over net that they use copper wire, stripped.

Thx
 
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Motors never use bare copper wire except where it is stripped at the ends to make connections. The rest of the wire is always insulated, usually with a thin layer of paint-like enamel or a similar substance.

If bare wire was used, then turns next to each other could short together and current would not flow through the many turns and then the turns of wire would not produce the necessary magnetic effects to make the motor work.

To answer your question, the current would take whatever path was available to it depending on which wires were able to touch each other. So, you might get some current going in loops and some just going directly between turns of wire where they touched.
 
Google "enameled magnet wire". Determine correct wire gauge depending on current; e.g., 20 Gauge, 1.39 amps max. . See second from last column in http://amasci.com/tesla/wire1.html

Bob S
 
vk6kro said:
Motors never use bare copper wire except where it is stripped at the ends to make connections. The rest of the wire is always insulated, usually with a thin layer of paint-like enamel or a similar substance.

If bare wire was used, then turns next to each other could short together and current would not flow through the many turns and then the turns of wire would not produce the necessary magnetic effects to make the motor work.

To answer your question, the current would take whatever path was available to it depending on which wires were able to touch each other. So, you might get some current going in loops and some just going directly between turns of wire where they touched.

Yea thanks, didn't know that, looked stripped so it bugged me. (: thanks
 
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Certainly the current will go in the direction of B. Because no loop is created by insulation.
 

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